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Reply #20 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:52pm
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ahhell wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
I never said all southerners were racist either.  But in the late 60s and early 70s, lots of them were, along with lots of northerners.  Passage of the civil rights act split the democratic party and the GOP saw a chance to grab up some of the dixiecrats and lower class northern whites.   They took.  Things have changed since then.  There are a lot fewer balatantly racist americans now but those that are left of the old fashioned types are more likely to vote republican.   

I haven't said it explicitly but the dems appeal to race far more openly in a very paternalistic manner.   They offer to protect the poor minorities from whitey and god protect you if you're a minority that's openly a republican. 


Aside from that, would you agree with me on the evangelicals?  That they are also a trap the GOP has made for itself?
I agree with everything you're saying and I'm happy to have both factions of the TwoParties shoot themselves in the foot, over and over and over.... Grin If they didn't have a 'legal' lock on the electoral process, they would both disappear and maybe we'd get some good candidates to vote for.


  
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Reply #21 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:58pm
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ahhell wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
I never said all southerners were racist either.  But in the late 60s and early 70s, lots of them were, along with lots of northerners.  Passage of the civil rights act split the democratic party and the GOP saw a chance to grab up some of the dixiecrats and lower class northern whites.   They took.  Things have changed since then.  There are a lot fewer balatantly racist americans now but those that are left of the old fashioned types are more likely to vote republican.   

I haven't said it explicitly but the dems appeal to race far more openly in a very paternalistic manner.   They offer to protect the poor minorities from whitey and god protect you if you're a minority that's openly a republican. 


Aside from that, would you agree with me on the evangelicals?  That they are also a trap the GOP has made for itself?


I'm not saying there are no southern racists.  It's your inane, Fake News fueled assumption they are in the Republican party.

The racists are traditionalists and they are traditionally Democrats.  The biggest racist I know still has an Obama sticker on his truck and he hates blacks.

The southern conservatives are driven overwhelmingly by economics.  There is no correlation between economics and racism.  Other than by the Fake News media.

I've lived in the South (North Carolina, Georgia, Maryland, Virginia) over half my life now and I've seen zero racism coming out of the Republican party in all that time here.  My ex-wife who lived with me most of that time is Korean and we had zero issues ever with her race.

On the other hand, I've seen extensive racism here coming from Democrats.  I am not claiming that the racism is all on the Democrat side.  I'm saying take the ring out of your nose and stop with the Fake News crap that racists are Republicans.

Racism is a small issue in this country at this point in politics and overall it's not associated with either party particularly.  On the other hand, race whoring is ALL coming from the Democrat party.  They manipulate people like you to parrot that
  

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Reply #22 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:01pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Thanks. I knew it wouldn't be worth watching.


I agree, it wasn't worth watching.  I didn't watch the whole thing, she's very repetitive.  But I did watch a fair bit of it.  Tom liked it because she said MIC at the beginning.  He's a one issue person and you're not allowed to question or even discuss anything that doesn't support his position
  

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Reply #23 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:52pm:
I agree with everything you're saying and I'm happy to have both factions of the TwoParties shoot themselves in the foot, over and over and over.... Grin If they didn't have a 'legal' lock on the electoral process, they would both disappear and maybe we'd get some good candidates to vote for.




Living in the south half my life, I see no evidence of his contention that racists are "more likely to vote Republican."  I have extensively seen racist Democrats.  I am not however claiming that racism here is only on the Democrat side, only that it's not associated with one party. Ahhell listens to Fake News too much
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 5:06pm
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kaz wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 3:03pm:
Living in the south half my life, I see no evidence of his contention that racists are "more likely to vote Republican."  I have extensively seen racist Democrats.  I am not however claiming that racism here is only on the Democrat side, only that it's not associated with one party. Ahhell listens to Fake News too much
I don't know how anybody actually votes or who they really send their money to during the campaigns. I've heard white folks talking about how they hate Democrats because they give money to lazy blacks so they can have more illegitimate babies and black folks talking about how they hate Republicans because they keep whitey in power. Historically speaking, people calling themselves 'progressives' have been some of the worst racists ever known... National Socialist type 'progressives' took it to extremes.
  
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Reply #25 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 9:47pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 5:06pm:
I don't know how anybody actually votes or who they really send their money to during the campaigns. I've heard white folks talking about how they hate Democrats because they give money to lazy blacks so they can have more illegitimate babies and black folks talking about how they hate Republicans because they keep whitey in power. Historically speaking, people calling themselves 'progressives' have been some of the worst racists ever known... National Socialist type 'progressives' took it to extremes.


Do you know anyone who reads a very relevant link?
  
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Reply #26 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 9:50pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
Do you know anyone who reads a very relevant link?


Yeah, your daddy Lindsey Graham.  Wow, you think that's relevant, don't you neocon?
  

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Reply #27 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:48pm
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All Ahhell is basically saying is that we know how the racists vote, and for a lot of people, that apple spoils the bunch. Granted, you have to be dumb as a turd to stop bathing because Hitler bathed, but not-so-surprisingly, that's how dumb most people are.

It doesn't even have to be true. Most people just have to think it is. And the Republican party does get demonised enough for people to think it is.
  

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Reply #28 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:08am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
All Ahhell is basically saying is that we know how the racists vote, and for a lot of people, that apple spoils the bunch. Granted, you have to be dumb as a turd to stop bathing because Hitler bathed, but not-so-surprisingly, that's how dumb most people are.

It doesn't even have to be true. Most people just have to think it is. And the Republican party does get demonised enough for people to think it is.


When someone like David Duke supports a Republican, the Fake News are all over it.  When a racist supports a Democrat, they don't report it. That's how they manipulate people like Ahhell.  He's sitting there thinking every time he hears a racist endorse a party, it's the Republicans.  Of course he does, that's by design.

Did you know that the American Communist party hasn't run a candidate since I think it was the 90s.  They just endorse the Democrat in every election?

You probably didn't know that because the Fake News media doesn't report it for obvious reasons
  

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Reply #29 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 7:35am
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Tom Palven wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
Do you know anyone who reads a very relevant link?
My first thought, when I read the title of your post was that it was an oxymoron, that 'sane' and 'progressive' couldn't be used together...

Some reflection on the issue, thinking about long time friends and family members who think of themselves as 'progressives' but seem to be sane and rational people (most of them anyway) made me realize that it's mostly in the field of political economy that 'progressives' are insane. Not completely limited to that field, because the idea that using government power to make people/society/the world  "better" is insane also... I conclude that sane people who are misinformed and/or ill-informed can have insane ideas.
  
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