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Reply #30 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:59pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Yep.  If government collected only the Taxes needed to sustain itself and pay interest on loans from the Fed...
How much does that amount to now?

Is all that borrowing against the futures of our Grandchildren consistent with preserving the Blessings of Liberty for our generations?

To every sane person who looks at it, it looks like we've made our posterity into slaves. Cry
  
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Reply #31 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:04pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:52pm:
And Rocket Man wouldn't be racing to build ICBMs capable of reaching the US mainland.
Right. young Kim could concentrate on improving his intermediate range missiles and building more nuclear bombs to use on South Korea and Japan.

Does he have missiles that will reach India? Why doesn't he threaten them, or Turkey? Maybe Indonesia? Is Indonesia scheduled to be part of the coming Chinese Empire?

Edit: How much trade is there between South Korea and Japan? Isn't that enough motivation for them to ally to take out the Kim regime?
  
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Reply #32 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:58pm
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I looked around a bit and found that the original idea of the single tax was a tax on land values.

That means a really big ranch in some places would be worth about the same as a few acres of prime downtown land.

I see potential problems in who sets the taxable values and what criteria they use.

Would that be fewer and more manageable problems than what we have now?  Would it make it harder for Congress to grant privileged exemptions? Would the land under the Clinton Foundation property be exempt? And other places too? Church property? The land under the new Boeing factory?
  
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Re: What, if any, Taxes are Acceptable in a Libertarian System?
Reply #33 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:41pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
How much does that amount to now?

jeez, the National Debt is like $20.1 Trillion. The interest alone is over $3 Trillion/yr.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Jeff wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Is all that borrowing against the futures of our Grandchildren consistent with preserving the Blessings of Liberty for our generations?

To every sane person who looks at it, it looks like we've made our posterity into slaves. Cry

Anyone who pays income tax is a slave - at least to some degree - that's why I object to them so much.

(I don't mean to belittle the hardships of pre-1863 slaves)
  
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Reply #34 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:50am
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:41pm:

jeez, the National Debt is like $20.1 Trillion. The interest alone is over $3 Trillion/yr.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Anyone who pays income tax is a slave - at least to some degree - that's why I object to them so much.

(I don't mean to belittle the hardships of pre-1863 slaves)
More about how the debt is destroying our future.

http://reason.com/reasontv/2017/09/25/why-we-need-less-debt?utm_medium=email
  
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Reply #35 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 1:06pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:50am:


Taxation and especially income tax is here to stay. Americans need to come together and find a way to change their country's attitudes toward government before it does destroy the country.

Socially responsible capitalism is the only answer. It's really only putting back some social responsibility in a corrupted capitalist system.

It's pretty obviously going to need a move toward the left.

Your country's capitalst system is too rightist. That's what separates your country from countries that are doing better.

We're far past arguing about whether or not America is doing as well as the more socially responsible capitalist countries. All the people on this forum know and understand that.
  
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Reply #36 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 4:33pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Taxation and especially income tax is here to stay. Americans need to come together and find a way to change their country's attitudes toward government before it does destroy the country.
The country? What you are saying is that if we don't soon get on a physical training program to learn to relax our assholes, the government is going to Crappity Smack us anyway, and it will hurt more if we don't get used to it first?


  
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Reply #37 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 4:56pm
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The quote "Taxation is theft" is from Murray Rothbard.

Murray Rothbard was a (the?) founder of American libertarianism.  And he was an anarcho-capitalist.

  
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