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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #30 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:44pm
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burnsred wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:15pm:
What I wonder is what actions should be taken and by whom to prevent that event.  Or should we wait until after he does it and ask the UN what to do?



How do you think that would work out? After Seoul was nuked and a million N. Korean soldiers swarmed across the border?

I view it as a problem for Free Korea and their free allies in the region.
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #31 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 6:17pm
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How do you think that would work out? After Seoul was nuked and a million N. Korean soldiers swarmed across the border?
It would be one of the worst humanitarian disasters in history.

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I view it as a problem for Free Korea and their free allies in the region.
Would that include the United States since our territory Guam is in the region?
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #32 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 7:19pm
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burnsred wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 6:17pm:
Would that include the United States since our territory Guam is in the region?
I've never thought that having Territories for very long at all was a good idea. If they don't want to become States, that's fine, cut them loose so they can go their own way. If the people of Guam want to ally themselves with S, Korea and Japan to take out the Kim regime, that's up to them. Or they can wait and see what happens. That should be up to them too.
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #33 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 7:50pm
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I've never thought that having Territories for very long at all was a good idea. If they don't want to become States, that's fine, cut them loose so they can go their own way. If the people of Guam want to ally themselves with S, Korea and Japan to take out the Kim regime, that's up to them. Or they can wait and see what happens. That should be up to them too.
Totally agree.  Become a state or become independent.  Vague terms like "U.S. territories" aren't conducive to libertarianism.  I'm not sure we should offer Guam the option.  If not for the government's foreign interventionism, most people would have never heard or either Korea or Guam.  Having a state that far away from North America would make it difficult to defend and a tempting target. 

Once again, an example of a mess that libertarianism did not create and would not have created but that a hypothetical libertarian government would be left to deal with.

  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #34 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:10pm
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burnsred wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Totally agree.  Become a state or become independent.  Vague terms like "U.S. territories" aren't conducive to libertarianism.  I'm not sure we should offer Guam the option.  If not for the government's foreign interventionism, most people would have never heard or either Korea or Guam.  Having a state that far away from North America would make it difficult to defend and a tempting target. 

Once again, an example of a mess that libertarianism did not create and would not have created but that a hypothetical libertarian government would be left to deal with.

No problem at all. I'm pretty sure the U.S. Constitution doesn't make any provisions for having territories. Following the Constitution should be easy for our governments... It's the law.

Maye there is some authority to acquire territories? I don't see it...

Anybody paying attention would know that Korea was invaded by Japan etc.

Hawaii is pretty far away too...
  
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Reply #36 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:54am
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Tom Palven wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:58am:

Good idea. Let N. Korea's neighbors deal with the Kim regime.
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #37 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:31pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 11:33am:
The US needs to withdraw all troops from the Korean peninsula and Japan.  With the US threat gone, Rocket Man will stop the sabre-rattling and brinksmanship.




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Here’s how to solve the seven-decade old crisis: pull all US troops out of South Korea.  End all military exercises on the North Korean border... We are in extremely dangerous territory and Congress for the most part either remains asleep or is cheering on the sabre-rattling.


Is Ron Paul plagiarizing me again?  (jk)
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #38 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:39pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
Ron Paul wrote on Sep 26th, 2017

Is Ron Paul plagiarizing me again?  (jk)


Your two combined voices are lost in the wilderness. You should join one of the main political parties and try to change your country from within. It's the only way, barring a hard lesson that would involve nuclear war.
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #39 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 2:35pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
Your two combined voices are lost in the wilderness. You should join one of the main political parties and try to change your country from within.

I am a member of the Libertarian Party. It is the Party which best represents my political views.  The other two Parties want bigger government, higher taxes, and more spending/debt.  These are 3 things that really stick in a libertarian's craw.

Being a libertarain yourself, I'm surprised that this escapes you.   

I guess Canadian libertarianism must be very different than American libertarianism.

Don_G wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
It's the only way, barring a hard lesson that would involve nuclear war.

Yep - nuclear war would would be a game-changer.  I think the US is very close to going toe-to-toe with Rocket Man. 
  
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