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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #40 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 2:58pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
I am a member of the Libertarian Party. It is the Party which best represents my political views.  The other two Parties want bigger government, higher taxes, and more spending/debt.  These are 3 things that really stick in a libertarian's craw.

Being a libertarain yourself, I'm surprised that this escapes you.   

I guess Canadian libertarianism must be very different than American libertarianism.

Yep - nuclear war would would be a game-changer.  I think the US is very close to going toe-to-toe with Rocket Man. 

Nope! If it turns to military action then you will have your nuclear war.

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Reply #41 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:04pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
I guess Canadian libertarianism must be very different than American libertarianism.

No, libertarians are the same the world over... Libertarian Parties differ from time to time and place to place, but mostly they suck.

My theory is that libertarians don't really want power over others, and the good ones are busy with their own lives and hate even the idea of running for office.

Only a few with a real passion for individual Liberty are willing to wade into the Swamp.
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #42 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:06pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Nope! If it turns to military action then you will have your nuclear war.


Would that be the Kim regime's nuclear war, or the Chinese Communist Party's nuclear war?

I suppose there's a possibility it would be some People's Army Airforce Rocket Regiment General who could start it?
  
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Reply #43 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:08pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Nope! If it turns to military action then you will have your nuclear war.


What about the million man army flooding across the border? Is that plan out?

Could there be a fear of mutiny? A 'shoot the Generals who tell us to do that' sort of thing?

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Reply #44 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Nope! If it turns to military action then you will have your nuclear war.

Not necessarily. There are other possible scenarios.  There can be non-nuclear warfare.  I think Rocket Man would have an advantage if he waits for Trump to make the first move.  The NoKo Army has way more soldiers than the US - nearly 5 million combat-ready soldiers!  They have more tanks, too.

Lets say Trump tries a preemptive strike gambit.  A few cruise missiles to "send a message". China will immediately come to Rocket Man's aid. I think Russia would too, but probably in a less "active" role.
Rocket Man's best strategy is to sit tight and wait for Trump to make a huge miscalculation.  The worst thing to do is underestimate an enemy.

However, if Rocket Man initiates a first strike anywhere [Guam, Japan, S.Korea], China will turn its back on NoKo and it will rain Fire and Fury like they have never seen.  Without China, NoKo will be neutralized (eventually).

Let's hope that doesn't happen.  There would be tremendous loss of human life.
  
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Reply #45 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:05pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
Not necessarily. There are other possible scenarios.  There can be non-nuclear warfare.
This is what MICs around the industrialized world prefer.

-Endless conventional wars with ever more expensive and deadly weapons-...

Except for the weapons that don't pan out.... And that just means new and more expensive weapons need to be developed and produced...
  
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Reply #46 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:10pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
Lets say Trump tries a preemptive strike gambit.  A few cruise missiles to "send a message". China will immediately come to Rocket Man's aid.
We couldn't take out the Kim regime? Cheesy

Any preemptive strike by anybody will take out the Kim regime.

There will be no Kim left to aid.

If The Chinese Communists decide to start tossing nukes around when the Kim regime is (hopefully) taken out, The mad Ayatollahs of Iran will be pleased I bet.
  
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Reply #47 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:54pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:06pm:
Would that be the Kim regime's nuclear war, or the Chinese Communist Party's nuclear war?

I suppose there's a possibility it would be some People's Army Airforce Rocket Regiment General who could start it?

No neither. It would be a nuclear war with the US and it's allies against the Brics countries, to make it simple. Surprising you need to ask stupid questions even now.
  
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Reply #48 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:58pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
No neither. It would be a nuclear war with the US and it's allies against the Brics countries, to make it simple. Surprising you need to ask stupid questions even now.
And the U.S. will launch the first nukes?

That's not what you've been saying. You've been saying China will nuke everybody unless everybody stands back and lets young Kim nuke Seoul and conquer all of Korea.
  
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Re: Can we Deal with North Korea without "Initiation of Force?"
Reply #49 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:59pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
Not necessarily. There are other possible scenarios.  There can be non-nuclear warfare.  I think Rocket Man would have an advantage if he waits for Trump to make the first move.  The NoKo Army has way more soldiers than the US - nearly 5 million combat-ready soldiers!  They have more tanks, too.

Lets say Trump tries a preemptive strike gambit.  A few cruise missiles to "send a message". China will immediately come to Rocket Man's aid. I think Russia would too, but probably in a less "active" role.
Rocket Man's best strategy is to sit tight and wait for Trump to make a huge miscalculation.  The worst thing to do is underestimate an enemy.

However, if Rocket Man initiates a first strike anywhere [Guam, Japan, S.Korea], China will turn its back on NoKo and it will rain Fire and Fury like they have never seen.  Without China, NoKo will be neutralized (eventually).

Let's hope that doesn't happen.  There would be tremendous loss of human life.


The war you're hoping  to see start can't be non-nuclear. No country or group of countries could win that kind of war against the US and it's allies.

Don't be stupid with your wishful thinking. The situation that has been set in N.Korea is a nuclear war with the Brics or nothing. That should make any antiwar person happy because it's almost impossible that it can happen. But not you because I understand you are a phony and want a conventional war. All Americans obviously do.
  
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