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Land of Freedom wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Just barely works for me.

They're  way better than even minimal maximalists.
  
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Minimalist, as opposed to an activist?

I guess they wouldn't really be posting here as a libertarian if they were a minimalist. Smiley
  
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Crystallas wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
Minimalist, as opposed to an activist?

What? What about activist minimalists? Are they opposed to themselves?
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
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I'd say that as an absolute minimum, you would have to be more fiscally conservative than a conservative and/or more socially liberal than a liberal.

If you believe marijuana should be legal because it is fairly harmless and even has medical benefits, you are liberal.  If you believe that marijuana and other drugs should be legal regardless of benefit or harm then you are libertarian.

If you believe that government should change regulations to help business grow, you're a conservative.  If you believe that government should repeal regulations regardless of the effect on business, you are a libertarian.

  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #6 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 10:34am
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To be a true libertarian, one must be a minimalist when it comes to Government and taxes, a the very least.  (IMO)

I especially like the mission statement of Canada's Libertarian Party:

"The mission of the Party is to reduce the responsibilities and expense of government."
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
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burnsred wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 10:08am:
I'd say that as an absolute minimum, you would have to be more fiscally conservative than a conservative and/or more socially liberal than a liberal.

If you believe marijuana should be legal because it is fairly harmless and even has medical benefits, you are liberal.  If you believe that marijuana and other drugs should be legal regardless of benefit or harm then you are libertarian.

If you believe that government should change regulations to help business grow, you're a conservative.  If you believe that government should repeal regulations regardless of the effect on business, you are a libertarian.



I find a lot to disagree with in those statements burnsred. It's just that I'm not sure if you have said them from a POV of being a libertarian yourself. Some of it seems to be condemnation of libertarians.

For example, I can imagine somebody creating a drug that gives people a narcotic high and government not haveing any authority to take it off the market.
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
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I find a lot to disagree with in those statements burnsred. It's just that I'm not sure if you have said them from a POV of being a libertarian yourself. Some of it seems to be condemnation of libertarians.
Ok, but what for example?

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For example, I can imagine somebody creating a drug that gives people a narcotic high and government not haveing any authority to take it off the market.
Yes, that would be libertarianism.  But many people have already created many drugs that give narcotic highs.  They're called narcotics.  The government does have the authority to take them off the market.  Because the U.S. system is NOT libertarian.

Do you mean some drug that is not a narcotic but gives a high that simulates narcotics?  To me, alcohol is exactly that.  Our government claims for itself the authority to heavily regulate, de-regulate or take alcohol completely off the market.

I have to admit, Don.  Sometimes I fail to see the points  you make.

  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #9 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 7:33pm
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burnsred wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Ok, but what for example?

Yes, that would be libertarianism.  But many people have already created many drugs that give narcotic highs.  They're called narcotics.  The government does have the authority to take them off the market.  Because the U.S. system is NOT libertarian.

Do you mean some drug that is not a narcotic but gives a high that simulates narcotics?  To me, alcohol is exactly that.  Our government claims for itself the authority to heavily regulate, de-regulate or take alcohol completely off the market.

I have to admit, Don.  Sometimes I fail to see the points  you make.



I didn't think there was much undue regulation of alcohol in your country. There's a lot more in mine. I'm not really sure if your country could benefit with more or even less? I'm always socially aware of the ease of minors obtaining alcohol being something we have to monitor closely. Are you? Or are you for the wide open libertarian approach of letting minors have anything they want and in unlimited quantities?

As for drugs, your country advertized pharmas on the media but Canada doesn't allow it. While your country allows it, it's full of dire warnings on what the particular drug can do to you. Many including warning of death.

The difference to explore is this: Patients go their doctors in Canada and don't try to tell the doctors which med to prescribe. Many of those ads in the US are asking people to tell their doctors that they want 'x' drug.

On reason I like our system better is that it keeps prices down. Doctors know what works and shouldn't trying to sell the newest designer drugs to patients.

Oh, and our medical experience is better than yours. (insurance wise speaking on 'expeience'. And our life expectancy is higher.  and our child mortality rates are lower.
  
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