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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #50 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:47pm
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stevea wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
B/c you are an anti-libertarian troll.


There were NO value judgement nor condemnation in it; he just set out his view of what some libt' positions are.  Your lack of critical reading skills is showing.



NATURE has already created such drugs - what RIGHT does government have to prohibit their use?
None!  You and the mob-of-51% don't get to tell others how to live or act.

I suggest you read Walter Block's "Defending the Undefendable"

http://austrian-library.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/books/Walter%20Block/...

then try again after you understand a few libertarian concepts.

Of course  we all KNOW you won't read it - you are all output and no input. You were born ignorant and are  determined to stay that way.





There's nothing can be accomplished with talking to you steve, until you clean up your act.
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
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ahhell wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
Like many things, it varies by state.  In some states, liquor can only be purchased in state run liquor stores, others it can only be purchased in specialty stores, others pretty much any market can sell liquor with the proper license.

My own state only allows specialty liquor stores to sell anything with more than 3.2% alcohol and limits the number and location of such outlets.  Some counties in the South do not allow alcohol sales at all, famously the county where jack daniels is distilled is a dry county.


Thank you, I didn't know that and am quite surprised to learn it. It seems to me that the restrictions you mention are both religious based and perhaps old British attitudes that still prevail in my country too.

Some liquor laws I can support based on common sense but most I feel are oppressive.
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
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ahhell wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
Can you provide a citation?


I have some very serious reservations on continuing to talk to you on this ahhell. But for now I'll trust that you're not just trying to mock me and Canada's rights and privileges.

https://www.amazon.ca/Right-Arm-Bears-Gordon-Dickson/dp/0671319590
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #53 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:14pm
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ahhell wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Its unsurprising that a nation more that 300 million ranks poorly in "equity of care" compared to countries with that are all no more than a quarter of the size nor anything near the diversity. 


Yes, the population diversity creates a lack of group-altruism.  Actually this idea was proposed by a Swedish economist, to explain why more homogenous nations like Sweden or Japan have more social programs.  USers (and perhaps other large diverse nations like India) can't use such systems.

If you'd like an obvious example of this in-group thinking & group cohesion, consider the presence of Japanese cars in the US vs Europe.   USers don't really care greatly who makes a car, while Euros have a strong parochialism.   When I lived in Germany the general sense was that anything that came from more than ~50 miles away was a somewhat foreign & suspect entity.  You just don't see much seafood on the menu in S.Germany for example.
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #54 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 8:18pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
I have some very serious reservations on continuing to talk to you on this ahhell. But for now I'll trust that you're not just trying to mock me and Canada's rights and privileges.

https://www.amazon.ca/Right-Arm-Bears-Gordon-Dickson/dp/0671319590


This is a bit more Canoodlian reference to bears - no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1uT2Dfh7T8

Racist, sexist, paternalistic, with clear implications of bestiality - and of course REALLY BAD BEER at the focus.

What should we make of the fact that the best beers in Canada, an ale culture by heritage, are Belgian styles from your oppressed French-speaking minority ?

All "good stuff(tm)" comes from the struggle AGAINST unity(=suppression of dissent), you buffoon.  The sort of veal-pen-raised humans you want to create via government paternalism(power,force) is grotesque to those of us who remain individuals.

I'd suggest you read Balzac after his rejection of Christianity, for example,  but of course - you can't or don't read.


  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #55 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 8:31pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:35pm:
Our constitution recognizes our right to arm bears.

The hole you dig is deep. Makes very easy to push you in it.

You understand this, right?
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
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Land of Freedom wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?


Minimalism in generally isn't a libertarian value (tho personally I eschew rococo or baroque styles) .  I expect you mean 'minarchism' = promoting minimal government.

Anyone who wants less government has SOME direct-or-indirect libertarian leanings, but ahhell nailed it.  If LESS IMPOSITION OF COERCION is your fundamental belief - you are libertarian.
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #57 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 9:00pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:47pm:
There's nothing can be accomplished with talking to you steve, until you clean up your act.


Those are the words of a dickless troll w/ no rational rebuttal, to a simple, clear argument.

My act is clean - your's is preposterous posturing.  Your childish dismissals is PROOF you have no argument or rebuttal -- you are an illogical, illiterate, intellectual wreck.  Crawl back under your rock - little troll.  You have NO = ZERO support for your authoritarian-socialist views among libertarians.

It's actually quite SAD that you can't be bothered read - even when I provide a link to a succinct work by a well-known libertarian.   Your views are NOT libertarian, not even close.
  
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
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Re: How minimum does a minimalist have to be to be a libertarian?
Reply #59 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 9:26pm
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Don_G wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Thank you, I didn't know that and am quite surprised to learn it.


I'm quite UNSURPRISED at your ignorance of the US and NoKo and ... most anything else; it's related to your UNWILLINGNESS TO READ.  You are proof of only-RT.com-in-garbage-out.

I *WOULD* be very surprised if you actually LEARNED anything, given your closed-minded dismissalism & obvious sclerotic brain problems,not to mention your obvious low-IQ tendency to not-read.


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It seems to me that the restrictions you mention are both religious based and perhaps old British attitudes that still prevail in my country too.


Woot - thanks for verifying your massive ignorance.  These state liquor laws are a direct result of US Prohibition. The "Temperance Movement' had religious support, but was PRIMARILY about ppl like YOU DON_G - do-gooders socialists who believe they have a right to tell others how to live.

It's one of the obvious excesses (that you as a nanny-stater would approve of) of government and a clear proof that the US amendment system isn't a good idea.  Your majoritarian methods cannot protect rights of minorities.  Note carefully that  Canada had it's own prohibition periods.


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Some liquor laws I can support based on common sense but most I feel are oppressive.


NO liquor law is needed nor advantageous of personal liberty; THAT is 'Common Sense' in the Locke sense.

Cite EVEN ONE libertarian author to support your peculiar positions, or admit you have no business on this forum.   Are you actually a Putin shill/troll ?


  
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