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Reply #10 - Oct 4th, 2017 at 6:32pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
He losed control of his emotions like a teenager. We all have to be tolerant of teens.


Teenagers that have losed control of their emotions can be dangerous. Equal parts of vigilance and tolerance are required. It's easier if you actually know the teenager...

Young Kim for instance... He probably requires more vigilance than tolerance...
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 4th, 2017 at 7:45pm
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Which is fine since Trump has brought that totalitarian nightmare state to heel.

I've been avoiding this thread, but this interests me... Why do you say that? You think they believe his threat to obliterate N. Korea or whatever he said? Do you?
I don't believe he meant it.  But I do believe that General Mathis meant it.

I also believe that Trump really didn't mean it when he said he was running for the GOP nomination.  Then he got caught up in it and pushed it through to its surprise conclusion.  The same thing could happen with his threats to NK.

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Let's try to stop him if that's in fact the case.

Why not help Japan and S. Korea take out the Kim regime conventionally instead?
As the lessor of two evils or a stopgap measure, sure.  The long term plan should be to say to Japan and S. Korea, "Now that this crises is over, concentrate on building up your military to defend yourselves.  Our taxpayers are going to take us out of we keep spending their grandkids' money to have your back while you get rich by selling your cars and electronics to us."
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:26pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
I don't believe he meant it.  But I do believe that General Mathis meant it.

I also believe that Trump really didn't mean it when he said he was running for the GOP nomination.  Then he got caught up in it and pushed it through to its surprise conclusion.  The same thing could happen with his threats to NK.

As the lessor of two evils or a stopgap measure, sure.  The long term plan should be to say to Japan and S. Korea, "Now that this crises is over, concentrate on building up your military to defend yourselves.  Our taxpayers are going to take us out of we keep spending their grandkids' money to have your back while you get rich by selling your cars and electronics to us."
Pretty naive of you to think that it's about protecting Japan or south Korea. It's not. It's about US expanding it's influence into China's sphere of influence. That's the simple reason you're looking for on why the US doesn't tell Japan and South Korea to look after their own problems.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 9:28am
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Don_G wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:26pm:
It's about US expanding it's influence into China's sphere of influence.
"Sphere of Influence"? Isn't that a leftover invented term from some Empire or other?

If you believe in this "sphere of influence" stuff, you probably think the U.S. should re-instate the Monroe Doctrine and clean the Communists out of the Americas.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 12:55pm
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burnsred wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
The crazy dictator backed down.

That is indeed progress.

North Korea cheerleaders will try to spin in anyway they want.  Which is fine since Trump has brought that totalitarian nightmare state to heel.



I think you're smart enough to see this in the correct light so I'll try again. Consider it before going kneejerk.

If China and Russia let it go now then the US has practically won. The US will install it's missile system in South Korea, China's sphere of influence in the world.

But if China and/or Russia relent and allow it to happen then I can visualize a counter-attack by China and/or Russia in perhaps Venezuela. The stage is already being set there to make Venezuela into a China/Russia proxy state.

And fwiw, Central and South America have been in China's eyes for quite a few years already.

You might even say that Cuba is going to be their first airbase.

I see the work of the Democratic party as being quite indicative of how the big division into two major sides will develop. N.Korea is likely a testing ground, or rather, both the Koreas are. Your opinion?
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 5th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
If China and Russia let it go now then the US has practically won.
Let what go?

What could China and Russia 'let go of' that would mean the "US" has "practically won"?

Won what?

Having you always speak in Marxist/collectivist/Communist /socialist gets tediously boring.

Explain yourself. Thanks.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 7:31pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Let what go?

What could China and Russia 'let go of' that would mean the "US" has "practically won"?

Won what?

Having you always speak in Marxist/collectivist/Communist /socialist gets tediously boring.

Explain yourself. Thanks.


Not to you Jeff. I'm hoping others will understand?
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:19am
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Don_G wrote on Oct 5th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
Not to you Jeff. I'm hoping others will understand?

Your a warmonger? A running dog of the imperialist Chinese?
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:48am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:19am:
Your a warmonger? A running dog of the imperialist Chinese?


Do you think China has plans to have a war with the US? Maybe even just an economic war?

How's my composition today? Any corrections yet?
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 4:29pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:48am:
Do you think China has plans to have a war with the US? Maybe even just an economic war?
The Chinese Communist Party has been at war ideologically (and in any other way they can get away with) with the U.S. since the Communists conquered the Chinese people.

Up until they decided to legalize profit and grant some privileges to property, they didn't have any ability to compete with us economically.

Now they do, and they hope our "system" collapses before their "system" does. The "systems" as they now work in effect, are very similar.
  
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