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Reply #10 - Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:14pm:
That's how it works?

In our system, you have a right to legal counsel anytime, and violent people are often held in custody until they are tried, simply because it's proven to be a good idea.

But you are correct, if they are not proven guilty of criminal behavior, they are released.


You've lost track of the conversation and the topic we were discussing.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 1st, 2017 at 7:24pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:14pm:
That's how it works?

No, that's how it's supposed to work.

Jeff wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:14pm:
In our system, you have a right to legal counsel anytime, and violent people are often held in custody until they are tried, simply because it's proven to be a good idea.

But you are correct, if they are not proven guilty of criminal behavior, they are released.

You must have missed the part about the 96-hour observation period.  No legal counsel is allowed. The police (at their discretion) may use their power of force to detain someone for 4 days. Even when no crime has been committed.   No warrant required.   No habeas corpus.   No due process.

Don_G. is all for it.  Because he's a statist authoritarian and is incapable of understanding that it is wrong for the State to use power to detain someone without cause.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 1st, 2017 at 11:06pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 7:24pm:
No, that's how it's supposed to work.

You must have missed the part about the 96-hour observation period.  No legal counsel is allowed. The police (at their discretion) may use their power of force to detain someone for 4 days. Even when no crime has been committed.   No warrant required.   No habeas corpus.   No due process.

Don_G. is all for it.  Because he's a statist authoritarian and is incapable of understanding that it is wrong for the State to use power to detain someone without cause.


Don G. is not for it. He's for the way Canada handles it.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:30am
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Don_G wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:20pm:
You've lost track of the conversation and the topic we were discussing.

I just wanted to point out how Americans have improved on the legal system we inherited from England, whereas Canada apparently hasn't.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:33am
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Don_G wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:18pm:
Jeff, you haven't got a clue so I'm not going to take the time to answer your nonsense.
Policing can't prevent suicide can it Donat dear.

In fact, it's a naive and stupid idea. That's why you take plenty of time telling me that you won't take the time to answer what you call "my nonsense."
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 12:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:33am:
Policing can't prevent suicide can it Donat dear.

In fact, it's a naive and stupid idea. That's why you take plenty of time telling me that you won't take the time to answer what you call "my nonsense."


In this case it's not your nonsense, it's your misunderstanding. Police (ing) can preent suicide (no, i like the other spelling better) suasides by attending to the scene in an emergency, and do. Police are given the authority to do so by good responsible government.

For those who care: People who attempt to commit suaside are nearly always crying out for help. "Attempt" is the key word. And the are rescued and then helped! People who reallly want to commit suaside usually succeed.

burnsred may care enough to comment from a professional's POV?
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 12:51pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 12:07pm:
For those who care: People who attempt to commit suaside are nearly always crying out for help.
Police can help people who are "crying out for help".
But Police are not actually mental health professionals... They can make sure that people "crying out for help" get it. If mental health is the issue at least they can get such people into the government mental health bureaucracy.

But policing can't prevent suicide.


  
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Reply #17 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 12:51pm:
Police can help people who are "crying out for help".
But Police are not actually mental health professionals... They can make sure that people "crying out for help" get it. If mental health is the issue at least they can get such people into the government mental health bureaucracy.

But policing can't prevent suicide.




Just simply wrong again Jeff. policing does prevent sue a sides. It's not a sue a side until there's a dead body. it's just an attempted sue a side.

sue a side. show some respect for Oppo.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:10pm:
sue a side. show some respect for Oppo.
I presume the lizard is still struggling to understand some moral philosophy more advanced than the law of the jungle... (I do hope its finally bought its Mom a gun and some lessons on how to use it.)
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm:
I presume the lizard is still struggling to understand some moral philosophy more advanced than the law of the jungle... (I do hope its finally bought its Mom a gun and some lessons on how to use it.)


Thanks so much for the civil words Jeff, it's made me a little teary. Even though a libertarian like me doesn't wish for even Oppo to shoot himself.

Speaking of which, did you hear about Vegas? Over 50 Americans whacked this time.
  
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