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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #10 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:17pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:09pm:
Could it have been a deliberate ploy to bring tyrants into focus, so as to know who to indict and try?

How many wars has Spain been involved in now anyway? Do they hold the World Record? I'll check with the Bureau of Records...
My guess would be that the English hold that record.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:22pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:17pm:
My guess would be that the English hold that record. 
Maybe the French?

What about the Great Khans?

Surely the Chinese and Egyptians have been at war for most of their long history... Russia has always been at war with somebody, probably since pre-history.
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #12 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:26pm
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This libertarian's answer is this:  Unless an independence movement is specifically aiming for greater socialism or larger government, I support it.  Because smaller nations have smaller governments, almost by definition.  They also have fewer levels of government since they just eliminated one.  Smaller government with fewer levels isn't in itself libertarianism, but it's a step in the right direction.


My favorite alternative history is that Texas would have broken not only with the Union, but not have joined up with the Confederacy.  It took the Union years to slash and burn its way though the south and in that time, Texas could have strengthened its military defenses enough that the Union would have been willing to negotiate some kind of payoff to leave us alone.

  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #13 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:09pm:
Could it have been a deliberate ploy to bring tyrants into focus, so as to know who to indict and try?

How many wars has Spain been involved in now anyway? Do they hold the World Record? I'll check with the Bureau of Records...


And the answer is???????

Uganda! With the US second.

But there's something wrong with that picture isn't there burnsred. It has something to do with the number of victims and the scale of the wars.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-nine-most-warmongering-countries-in-...

But don't let that trouble you, just continue on with demonizing Spain.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:43pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:37pm:
It has something to do with the number of victims and the scale of the wars.


But don't let that trouble you, just continue on with demonizing Spain.
That's a different category of competition, one that Communists have all locked up...

Come to think of it, communists have been involved in quite a few of Spain's wars...

Anyway, tribal wars are endless and uncountable...

Although Communists have been involved in quite a few of Uganda's wars...
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #15 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:49pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:43pm:
That's a different category of competition, one that Communists have all locked up...

Come to think of it, communists have been involved in quite a few of Spain's wars...

Anyway, tribal wars are endless and uncountable...

Although Communists have been involved in quite a few of Uganda's wars...


I agree! Which takes Uganda out of the running.

And the answer is????
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #16 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:56pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:49pm:
I agree! Which takes Uganda out of the running.

And the answer is????
Spain? Maybe Rome? Aren't you the genius here? Help us out... Thanks
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:55pm
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom."--William Pitt the Younger
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/10/04/european-commission-defends-spains-necessary-...
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #18 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 1:53pm
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The real question that needs to be asked is, what would Americans think if it wasn't Spain but the US? Or Canadians of Canada too.

It would then come down to the question of how much brutality could be used against the breakaway group?

I would suggest, as much as it takes.

Or maybe some of you pseudo-libertarians would suggest that the breakaway group be granted a part of your country based on a vote by them exclusively?

That would be about the depth of Jeff or the Chief's thinking.
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 4:31pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 5th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
It would then come down to the question of how much brutality could be used against the breakaway group?

History says you can sometimes kill enough of them to force them back into your empire.

Other times, you get things like the U.S. Constitution...

The highest accomplishment of classic liberalism.

(To which libertarians are the intellectual heirs).

KrapPit SmcK all you barbarians. Kiss

Edit: Hah! See how easily I evaded censorship!


  
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