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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #20 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 7:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 5th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
History says you can sometimes kill enough of them to force them back into your empire.

Other times, you get things like the U.S. Constitution...

The highest accomplishment of classic liberalism.

(To which libertarians are the intellectual heirs).

KrapPit SmcK all you barbarians. Kiss

Edit: Hah! See how easily I evaded censorship!




None of you pseudo-libertarians can answer the question if it concerns your own country. Especially not you Jeff because you don't even have to try. You're not claiming to be a libertarian. But it must be something that sticks in the Chief's craw a bit.
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #21 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:41am
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Don_G wrote on Oct 5th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
None of you pseudo-libertarians can answer the question if it concerns your own country...But it must be something that sticks in the Chief's craw a bit.

Nah - nothing sticking in my craw.  If it were the US, I would say the same thing.  Let them secede.   I've been pushing for California's secession for years now. Congress will never allow it because California is the 6th largest economy in the world... When we prevail, other productive states will follow.  The Union will collapse upon itself. The oligarchy/Deep State hates the secessionist.   Smaller/limited government is their biggest nightmare.

As is yours.
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #22 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:46am
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:41am:
I've been pushing for California's secession for years now. Congress will never allow it because California is the 6th largest economy in the world... When we prevail, other productive states will follow.

California's state government is in real trouble. Their government is neither small nor limited.

https://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/fiscal-policy-report-card-americas...

I can't see how becoming independent would help...
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #23 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:35am
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:41am:
Nah - nothing sticking in my craw.  If it were the US, I would say the same thing.  Let them secede.   I've been pushing for California's secession for years now. Congress will never allow it because California is the 6th largest economy in the world... When we prevail, other productive states will follow.  The Union will collapse upon itself. The oligarchy/Deep State hates the secessionist.   Smaller/limited government is their biggest nightmare.

As is yours.


Yeah but you're just a pseudo-libertarian with a voice that will always be ignored. Your country wouldn't allow it even if enough Californians wanted it. Don't kid yourself.

Few countries would allow a part of their country to secede, unless if was under US force to do so. Kosovo comes to mind.

Maybe some real libertarian will speak up?
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #24 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 12:58pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 5th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
None of you pseudo-libertarians can answer the question if it concerns your own country. Especially not you Jeff because you don't even have to try. You're not claiming to be a libertarian. But it must be something that sticks in the Chief's craw a bit.
In the US, I support a states right to secede depending on the circumstances and nature of the secession movement. 
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #25 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:08pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
In the US, I support a states right to secede depending on the circumstances and nature of the secession movement. 


I doubt it. But on second glance, it's all in the depends isn't it.

Pursue the question further if you think there's something in it? I think it's just a non-starter and so I have to sympathize with Spain.

As to Spain's methods of crowd control, I don't know enough about it to comment further. My first impression is that the police did what was necessary. You?
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #26 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:22pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:35am:
Your country wouldn't allow [secession] even if enough Californians wanted it. Don't kid yourself.

That's what I said in my post! 

SkyChief wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:41am:
 I've been pushing for California's secession for years now. Congress will never allow it because California is the 6th largest economy in the world...
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #27 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 5:00pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
In the US, I support a states right to secede depending on the circumstances and nature of the secession movement. 
If it's dependent on someone judging the "nature and circumstances", what you are talking about is permission.
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #28 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 5:02pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 1:41am:
I've been pushing for California's secession for years now.
And I've been wanting to get rid of them for years. Let them deal with the mess they've made without picking my pocket.
  
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Re: Libertarian Take on the Catalonia Vote?
Reply #29 - Oct 6th, 2017 at 6:22pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
And I've been wanting to get rid of them for years. Let them deal with the mess they've made without picking my pocket.

Congress will never allow that. Everyone knows it.  I think Catalonia has a similar situation.  Spain has a legislative body (similar to Congress) that has the final say about secession for Catalonia.

Afaik, the most recent sucessful secession of a country was when Austria seceded from Nazi Germany in April 1945.
  
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