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Reply #180 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:12pm
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I hope I've had some influence?

Its unlikely.
  
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Reply #181 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:21pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
Its unlikely.


I'm o.k. with that. I said it with reservations on knowing I would get that sort of reply. But I said it knowing that no denial would be worse.

You've even expressed sorrow with having to agree with me. I think you're basically a good person at heart but you need to clear away the false patriotism that's been promoted in all Americans. That's the hold you need to break that government has on you.
  
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Reply #182 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:48pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 12:02pm:
What does a "PhD of laws" mean exactly?

I suspect that law enforcement could benefit from a diverse set of backgrounds including educational.   Likely all they really need is the equivalent of an associates degree that teaches basic investigative technique and the legal framework relative to the rights of citizens under investigation. 
I agree, although High School civics should be enough to understand rights.
  
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Reply #183 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:57pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
I agree, although High School civics should be enough to understand rights.


The conversation has strayed off. It's mostly about a correct attitude in police officers and ahhell had started it off that way.

Therein lies the key! But for people like Trump's supporters, a totally different attitude would be the requirements to be promoted.

That is, shoot the black person and answer questions as to why later.

I think you know that's the debate you should be having with burnsred, even though he would say otherwise. If you use your head you can trick burnsred into supporting that kind of extremism.
  
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Reply #184 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 2:20pm
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The conversation has strayed off. It's mostly about a correct attitude in police officers and ahhell had started it off that way.


And anyone who learned what we were taught in civics class would know about individual rights and the limits of government power, which is what police need to know.
  
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Reply #185 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 2:33pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
And anyone who learned what we were taught in civics class would know about individual rights and the limits of government power, which is what police need to know.


True enough but not as important in my opinion as promoting the right attitude in police officers.

You've failed to comment on the difference in the attitude being promoted in Trump's supporters and what I refer to as the right attitude. I think I made it pretty clear and so you can reject it or accept it.

If you want to continue a discussion then don't go off. That will end it.
  
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Reply #186 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 2:56pm
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True enough but not as important in my opinion as promoting the right attitude in police officers.
Sometimes they get grumpy when they have to work in places where they get shot at and/or everybody runs away and all they are left with is dead bodies of people murdered by the local gangs. Who could blame them?
  
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Reply #187 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 3:01pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
Sometimes they get grumpy when they have to work in places where they get shot at and/or everybody runs away and all they are left with is dead bodies of people murdered by the local gangs. Who could blame them?


The local gangs! That's talking about what is in your country, not what could be.
  
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Reply #188 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 3:07pm
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The local gangs! That's talking about what is in your country, not what could be.
Yes, yes, and libertarians are always pointing out that unconstitutional drug laws are the primary cause of the gang warfare and that "Great Society" programs that created inner city ghettos and destroyed families are probably just as much at fault.
  
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Reply #189 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 3:21pm
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That is, shoot the black person and answer questions as to why later.
This is a bit of a false narrative, the attitude they have is shoot the suspect first then look for excuses later.  The reason it appears as though its shoot the black person first is because they tend to interact with black people at higher rates. 

Its a hard job to maintain a good attitude in.  In the best of circumstances, nobody is happy to see the police.  Its a situation that lends its self to an us vs them attitude and a job that attracts bullies.  We do need to fix that.
  
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