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Re: Ok, HERE's What Libertarian Police Work is
Reply #50 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:21pm
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kaz wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:07pm:
Government is the enemy of the people.  Thinking telling them they can't lie to you protects you is a fool's errand. 

And how does that work exactly?

Jeff - I didn't do it

Government - we know you did it.

Jeff:  OK, I did it

Government - hah, got you!  We lied, we didn't know until you admitted it!

Jeff:  Damn, I didn't do it.  Now I need to hire a lawyer ...

You're a dolt too?
  
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Re: Ok, HERE's What Libertarian Police Work is
Reply #51 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:23pm
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kaz wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:07pm:
Thinking telling them they can't lie to you protects you is a fool's errand. 

I'm trying to parse this sentence and failing... Can anybody do it for me? Thanks.
  
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Reply #52 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
OK. Why stop talking with ahhell?


It's not that simple.  Don joins conversations all over the board and trolls them.  Ahell is one of my favorite posters here though.  We probably disagree on more things than we agree on.  But he generally has a pretty open mind.  And unlike you and Opposition he can follow a conversation
  

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Re: Ok, HERE's What Libertarian Police Work is
Reply #53 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:09pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
I'm trying to parse this sentence and failing... Can anybody do it for me? Thanks.


Thinking telling government they can't lie to you protects you from anything is folly.

It does however protect criminals who implicate themselves all the time.  Miranda was a boon for criminals and has done nothing but harm the rest of us for that reason.  And it's based on made up law.  Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that
  

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Reply #54 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:11pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
You're a dolt too?


You said cops lying to innocent people causes them to implicate themselves.  You have yet to explain that
  

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Reply #55 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:17pm
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kaz wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
You said cops lying to innocent people causes them to implicate themselves.
???
I never said anything remotely like that.
  
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Reply #56 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:35pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:17pm:
???
I never said anything remotely like that.


Of course you did.  Reply #46.  As I said, you can't follow a conversation.  You can't even follow what you say
  

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Re: Ok, HERE's What Libertarian Police Work is
Reply #57 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
Yes, but this is the most intimate sense of it, when police lie to protect their misdeeds or to falsely convict people.

It's most intimate because you might end up paying a lawyer big $$$ to get some court to plead down from some imaginary trumped up charge, or even worse, be arrested and detained when you are innocent. Or have your property stolen by greedy police who are willing to lie so they can steal under color of law.


Here it is, my reply you are contending against. Have at it.
  
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Reply #58 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 8:09pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Here it is, my reply you are contending against. Have at it.


Yes, but this is the most intimate sense of it, when police lie to protect their misdeeds or to falsely convict people.

It's most intimate because you might end up paying a lawyer big $$$ to get some court to plead down from some imaginary trumped up charge, or even worse, be arrested and detained when you are innocent. Or have your property stolen by greedy police who are willing to lie so they can steal under color of law.

Other than the red, you have a point ...

  

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Re: Ok, HERE's What Libertarian Police Work is
Reply #59 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 8:16pm
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kaz wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
Other than the red, you have a point ...

Police  lying to convict people is wrong.

You differ?
  
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