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Reply #30 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:16pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
"They" was your word.

If a species survived before it had self-defense mechanisms, that species could not have had natural predators.  If it had no predators, there would have been no reason for that species to develop self-defense mechanism.


In fact, Darwinian evolution and Dawkins suggests that some species likely had no natural predators in the beginning. So maybe we can postulate that some species have no self-defence mechanisms.

Would you happen to know if that would be true of some viruses?

When you're talking about some species, I hope you aren't trying to describe modern day animals. You do know that over 90% of species that existed on the earth have gone extinct?

So what species would you have in mind?

Actually I would propose to you that there are far less than 10% of species that haven't gone extinct. Would you agree? I could write to Dawkins and ask for an answer?
  
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Reply #31 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:46pm
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If a species survived before it had self-defense mechanisms, that species could not have had natural predators.  If it had no predators, there would have been no reason for that species to develop self-defense mechanism.

Don_G:


. . .  what species would you have in mind?


Whichever species you meant when you said:

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You see, animals weren't created with self-defense mechanisms. They aquired them through the process of Darwinian evolution..
  
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Reply #32 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:32pm
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You see, animals weren't created with self-defense mechanisms. They aquired them through the process of Darwinian evolution..

Well we finally all reached agreement on that!
  
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Reply #33 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:26pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:32pm:
You see, animals weren't created with self-defense mechanisms.
Certainly not all of them. Some rely on reproducing in large quantities at early ages so not all of the species will get eaten, hopefully.

Others are able to defend themselves against everything else around. Humans are good at that, because evolution made us smart...

Smart enough to know that self defense is a Natural Right...

And you agree! Wonderful! There may be hope for you yet!


  
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Reply #34 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:48pm
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You see, animals weren't created with self-defense mechanisms. They aquired (sic) them through the process of Darwinian evolution..
Still no progress on figuring out how they survived long enough to acquire them, then?

  
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Reply #35 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:48pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Certainly not all of them. Some rely on reproducing in large quantities at early ages so not all of the species will get eaten, hopefully.

Others are able to defend themselves against everything else around. Humans are good at that, because evolution made us smart...

Smart enough to know that self defense is a Natural Right...

And you agree! Wonderful! There may be hope for you yet!



Jeff, burnsred has you confused. No animals were created with self-defense mechanisms. To begin with, they weren't created and single cell animals, if that's the term you prefer, likely didn't have sdm's. Unless you and your creator want to try to invent some?
  
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Reply #36 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:20pm
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they weren't created
Of course they were created.  Either by a series of accidents or a series of non-accidents or some combination that seems to be your position.
  
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Reply #37 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:29pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
Of course they were created.  Either by a series of accidents or a series of non-accidents or some combination that seems to be your position.


Nope, they weren't created and none of them were on the earth when life began on this planet. You haven't been reading your Dawkins and your Darwin.

Or if you have then you're been reading with a negtive creationist attitude.

And that also rules out your wrong ideas on animals being created with a self-defense mechanism too.  Start from scratch. Read up on the Dover decision against Kitzmiller. It explains the smackdown pretty well.

Then see if you can get Jeff to side with you so we can continue!  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #38 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:36pm
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Agree to disagree on whether they were created. 

How you coming on that accidental or non-accidental mystery of yours?  Achieved any clarity yet?
  
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Reply #39 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:39pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
Nope, they weren't created and none of them were on the earth when life began on this planet.
Even after life began, there were no living organisms?
  
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