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Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 8:50pm
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You've posted that link for me about seven times, Don.  I haven't read it yet because it doesn't look like anything I'm interested in.  What government schools teach is government business. The point of being a libertarian isn't to try to join the various pressure groups trying to influence what they teach.  The point is to get them out of that business entirely.  But, being a libertarian, you know that of course . . .

But if you insist, I'll read a brief - very brief - description of whatever that is and how it relates to me in your own words.  My least favorite argument on a debate type forum is "Uh, well google the internets about that and the links will prove you're a doody head!"
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Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 11:34pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
You've posted that link for me about seven times, Don.  I haven't read it yet because it doesn't look like anything I'm interested in.  What government schools teach is government business. The point of being a libertarian isn't to try to join the various pressure groups trying to influence what they teach.  The point is to get them out of that business entirely.  But, being a libertarian, you know that of course . . .

But if you insist, I'll read a brief - very brief - description of whatever that is and how it relates to me in your own words.  My least favorite argument on a debate type forum is "Uh, well google the internets about that and the links will prove you're a doody head!"
Just a warning before you reak it. If  you're a ID'er type of xtian, you're not going to like it.

But if you don't know how the ID lobby screwed up, it's going to be enlightening for you.

Are you one? I get the sense you're trying to protect them. Don't be embarrassed to admit being a xtian burnsred, somebody's gotta do it!
  
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Re: Proof Positive the Right to Free Speech is "Endowed by Our Creator"
Reply #12 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:53am
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Don_G wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Just a warning before you reak it. If  you're a ID'er type of xtian, you're not going to like it.
I'm not any type of Christian, but it's not difficult for me to see "intelligent design" in our world. I can also see lots of natural things that look like very poor designs, many of them extinct, but many others not.

What does that have to do with the Right to freedom of speech and conscience?

Where do you think Bull Elk got the Right to bugle during the rut? Was it granted to them by some Elk government?
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 12:49pm
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ust a warning before you reak it. If  you're a ID'er type of xtian, you're not going to like it.


Go ahead.  I'll read a brief - very brief - description of whatever that is and how it relates to me in your own words.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:53am:
I'm not any type of Christian, but it's not difficult for me to see "intelligent design" in our world. I can also see lots of natural things that look like very poor designs, many of them extinct, but many others not.

What does that have to do with the Right to freedom of speech and conscience?

Where do you think Bull Elk got the Right to bugle during the rut? Was it granted to them by some Elk government?


I think you're hedging on what you are calling intelligent design. For the purpose of this conversation with me, Intelligent design is referring to that which was designed by the god. Nothing else.

So in that sense, everything you see is due to evolution and there was no intelligent designer involved. Everything!

If you want to go with what burnsred is trying to do then you have every right to do so. Just don't start thinking that it applies to the topic we're trying to discuss.
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:23pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
Go ahead.  I'll read a brief - very brief - description of whatever that is and how it relates to me in your own words.


You can just read what I've said to Jeff and that will answer your question. An ID'er refers to the god. If you want to start a seperate conversation on some notion of a natural creator or some other such nonsense then fill your boots. Maybe I'll play along too!
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:43pm
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If you want to start a seperate conversation on some notion of a natural creator
What do you mean "start a seperate (sic) thread?"  That's what this very thread you joined is about.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:30pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:43pm:
What do you mean "start a seperate (sic) thread?"  That's what this very thread you joined is about.


I don't agree but it doesn't matter. You've rejected Darwinian evolution but that's only half the job. You can't sell your god short and not proclaim to believe in him.

Or, you can if you like but you're going to burn for it! See ya at the big barbeque in the ground? Firmament?
  
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Re: Proof Positive the Right to Free Speech is "Endowed by Our Creator"
Reply #18 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:21pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
I think you're hedging on what you are calling intelligent design. For the purpose of this conversation with me, Intelligent design is referring to that which was designed by the god. Nothing else.


Dolt.

I didn't "call" anything "intelligent design", and have no idea what you mean by "the god".
  
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Re: Proof Positive the Right to Free Speech is "Endowed by Our Creator"
Reply #19 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:24pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
So in that sense, everything you see is due to evolution and there was no intelligent designer involved. Everything!


That's just what burnsred said, that the Rights of freedom of speech and conscience evolved naturally.... And I said the Right of self defense came about in just the same way.

It's great to have you finally agree with us. Smiley
  
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