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Reply #160 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 10:34am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 8:22am:
My arthritis medicine had to be changed. It never included any narcotics. One glass of red wine/day is my current consumption.

You lie constantly about everything.

Even anarchists, as foolish as they are about reality, believe in an inherent Right of freedom of speech. That doesn't make them any less dangerous to civilized societies or relive them of the stigma of being useful idiots of the Communists and National Socialists.
Not true.  Don_G-spot-ophobe does NOT "lie constantly about everything."  He only lies when he's awake and does not have a mouthful of government provided cheese to chew on.  He does tell the truth when he thinks it makes him look good like when he says, "I wuz the spelling champ of my publik skool!"

Stop lying about Don's lying.


  
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Reply #161 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 10:57am
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mentioning a g-shot is going to get you into hell's fires. Baby jezuz will not be plreased!
  
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Reply #162 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 12:40pm
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An overweight Virginia woman said she was fired from her job at a company that does work with the government for giving Trump the finger.

Juli Briskman told the Huffington Post on Saturday that after photos of her flipping off the presidential caravan while riding a bike on Oct. 28 started appearing online and in news reports, she thought she should alert her employer, Akima LLC, a government contractor.

She was fired the following day.  Her bosses told her she violated the company’s media policy by posting the photo as her profile picture on Twitter and Facebook.

http://nypost.com/2017/11/06/woman-fired-after-giving-trumps-motorcade-the-finge...

Is this is a free-speech issue?  Should an employer be allowed to fire an employee for excersising free speech while not on the job?
  
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Reply #163 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 12:48pm
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Is this is a free-speech issue?  Should an employer be allowed to fire an employee for excersising free speech while not on the job?
Nope, because it isn't government doing this.  Yes, as libertarians, we believe that an employer has a right to hire and fire whoever they want for any or no reason.

On the other hand the reason that employers are now firing individuals for expressing political views is that our government has conditioned us to believe that we can be investigated, harassed, spied on and otherwise sanctioned for our political beliefs.

  
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Reply #164 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:23pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 12:48pm:
Nope, because it isn't government doing this.  Yes, as libertarians, we believe that an employer has a right to hire and fire whoever they want for any or no reason.


That's not what libertarians believe, that's what you believe.

On the other hand the reason that employers are now firing individuals for expressing political views is that our government has conditioned us to believe that we can be investigated, harassed, spied on and otherwise sanctioned for our political beliefs.

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That's the reason employers are firing people for their political beliefs?

Because 'government' has conditioned people to believe they can be 'investigated', etc. ??
  
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Reply #165 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
That's not what libertarians believe, that's what you believe.

It is in fact a very common libertarian belief, that people have a right to hire and fire who they want when they want.

The real problem is that government can now punish companies for the political beliefs of both the owners and the employees, because the government controls so much of the economy and has shown a willingness to use both the IRS and various "regulatory" agencies to destroy businesses and the people that own them.
  
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Reply #166 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
It is in fact a very common libertarian belief, that people have a right to hire and fire who they want when they want.


No, real libertarians support workers' right to have a union and a union stands in the way of employers' having non-conditional rights to fire workers.

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The real problem is that government can now punish companies for the political beliefs of both the owners and the employees, because the government controls so much of the economy and has shown a willingness to use both the IRS and various "regulatory" agencies to destroy businesses and the people that own them.


Government has nothing to do with companies hiring and firing workers for any reason they like. No excuse needed.

Bad government is responsible for 'right to work' laws which are anything but.
  
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Reply #167 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
No, real libertarians support workers' right to have a union and a union stands in the way of employers' having non-conditional rights to fire workers.
Yes, libertarians support the rights of people to form any sort of voluntary organizations they want, including unions.

Employers will think carefully about firing people without cause when there is a possibility that a large portion of the workforce will stay home if they fire a union member and the union members don't think it was justified, but union members will think carefully about staying home when they know they can be fired if they do...

The only way a union can make the firing of its members "conditional" is if government power is involved on the side of the union, at which point it is no longer a voluntary private association and loses the support of libertarians.


  
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Reply #168 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:51pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
Bad government is responsible for 'right to work' laws which are anything but.
Laws that remove government grants of monopoly power to unions are good laws. Government granted monopolies of any sort are bad.
  
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Reply #169 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:53pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 6th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
Government has nothing to do with companies hiring and firing workers for any reason they like. No excuse needed.
If you think companies don't pay attention to the threat of being audited by the IRS and "investigated" by various Alphabet "agencies", you are a naive fool.
  
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