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Re: Proof Positive the Right to Free Speech is "Endowed by Our Creator"
Reply #40 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 8:34pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
OK. Does that always hold true that two lies mashed together=sarcasm?


The answer to your literal question is no.  Leftists string lies together constantly and they actually mean it.

Now what?
  

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Reply #41 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:16am
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kaz wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
The answer to your literal question is no.  Leftists string lies together constantly and they actually mean it.

Now what?
Speak freely. I'll try to be alert for sarcasm.
  
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Reply #42 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:53am
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This is a good argument for freedom of speech and conscience, and why the protections must apply to everyone.

http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/11/diversity-is-not-enough-we-need-pluralis?u...

Edit: It's about property rights too.
  
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Reply #43 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:31am
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Are only people who are born in the US endowed by their Creator with rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

How about people born in the rest of North America, Mexico and Canada?
  
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Reply #44 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:36am
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Tom Palven wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:31am:
Are only people who are born in the US endowed by their Creator with rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

How about people born in the rest of North America, Mexico and Canada?
Everyone on earth as I understand it.

Your question seems silly.
  
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Reply #45 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:00am
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Tom Palven wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:31am:
Are only people who are born in the US endowed by their Creator with rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

How about people born in the rest of North America, Mexico and Canada?

The are endowed as well - the main difference is, they don't recognize them in their respective Constitutions.

  
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Reply #46 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:47am
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:00am:
The are endowed as well - the main difference is, they don't recognize them in their respective Constitutions.



Thanks Chief but as far as I know we're heard nothing from any creator. I even kneeled down in front of some wild mushrooms to see if burnsred has a point on them being the creator. Nothing! A lot like when people pray only the mushrooms were there.
  
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Reply #47 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:31pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:47am:
Thanks Chief but as far as I know we're heard nothing from any creator. I even kneeled down in front of some wild mushrooms to see if burnsred has a point on them being the creator. Nothing! A lot like when people pray only the mushrooms were there.

Let's not get bogged down with the term Creator. Creator can be whatever we want it to be. Or nothing.  The point is that every person alive has natural (inalienable) rights:

Life
Liberty
Happiness
Self-defense

Sometimes religious beliefs can compel a person to waive these rights, but they never actually go away.
  
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Reply #48 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:40pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
Let's not get bogged down with the term Creator. Creator can be whatever we want it to be. Or nothing.  The point is that every person alive has natural (inalienable) rights:

Life
Liberty
Happiness
Self-defense

Sometimes religious beliefs can compel a person to waive these rights, but they never actually go away.


I've already mentioned that I have a lot of difficulty on how this 'proof positive' series has been framed. So while I understand your intent, I can't really agree.

Does everyone have natural rights to those?
Does everyone have inalienable rights to those?

Life
Liberty
Happiness
Self-defense

First the Natural. What does natural mean. Does it mean that people should have those rights? Because there's not doubt that the majority of the people living today don't have those rights.

And Inalienable? All those rights have been either refused or taken away from billions of people.

The big problem is in how burnsred framed the topics. It's hard to imagine what his intent was? So regardless of who or what he was envisioning as our 'creator', is just doesn't work.

The only thing I can feel safe in thinking is that he was being coy with the word 'creator' when he obviously meant the god.


  
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Re: Proof Positive the Right to Free Speech is "Endowed by Our Creator"
Reply #49 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:03pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
First the Natural. What does natural mean. Does it mean that people should have those rights? Because there's not doubt that the majority of the people living today don't have those rights.

Actually they DO have these rights -  for whatever reason, they just refuse to admit it.

Don_G wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
And Inalienable? All those rights have been either refused or taken away from billions of people.

Natural rights cannot be revoked. It's a philosophical thing.  Sure, you can incapacitate someone with drugs so he is paralyzed, and you can beat him to death. You took away his means of self-defense, but you never took away his natural right of self-defense.

Don_G wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
The big problem is in how burnsred framed the topics. It's hard to imagine what his intent was? So regardless of who or what he was envisioning as our 'creator', is just doesn't work.

The only thing I can feel safe in thinking is that he was being coy with the word 'creator' when he obviously meant the god.

I can't speak for burnsred's intent - I think he's making a reference to the Declaration of Independence where it states:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

(I added the bold)
  
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