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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 8:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
You should go to Australia and tell them just that.


I have. They're also pretty tough guys. Unlike US racists who are usually little guys with a big chip on their shoulders.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
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Don_G wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 8:03pm:
Unlike US racists who are usually little guys with a big chip on their shoulders.
Dolt.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #12 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 9:32am
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Prior to the gun ban there were almost no mass shootings in Australia, after the gun ban, there have been no mass shootings.  The differences is not large enough to really draw much of a conclusion.

Edit to bold the almost for clarity and add the underlined not.
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #13 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:35pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 9:32am:
Prior to the gun ban there were almost no mass shootings in Australia, after the gun ban, there have been no mass shootings.  The differences is large enough to really draw much of a conclusion.


What prompted Australia?

edit: Beat you to it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

It wasn't a gun ban at all. It was a reaction to some horrific killings in the country and the actions taken have stopped that from happening.

So you seem to have purposely lied about no mass shooting in Australia before they reined in gun violence. However, it may not have been a deliberate lie on your part. You could have been making a comparison to your country's gun violence and so Australia's scale of violence would seem to be of no importance.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #14 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:05pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
What prompted Australia?

edit: Beat you to it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

It wasn't a gun ban at all. It was a reaction to some horrific killings in the country and the actions taken have stopped that from happening.

So you seem to have purposely lied about no mass shooting in Australia before they reined in gun violence. However, it may not have been a deliberate lie on your part. You could have been making a comparison to your country's gun violence and so Australia's scale of violence would seem to be of no importance.
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The rate of gun related suicide was greatly reduced as well.[23] In 2010, a study reported a 59% decrease in firearm homicides in Australia between 1995 and 2006 (0.37 per 100,000 people in 1995 to 0.15 per 100,000 people in 2006).[26] They also reported that the non-firearm homicides fell by the same rate. The decreasing rate for homicide with a firearm was a continuation of a pre-existing decline prior to the 1996 reforms, and several analyses of these trends have been conducted and claimed that the reforms have had a statistically insignificant effect on homicide rates with a firearm .[27]
Suicides by firearm were already declining; however they fell significantly after controls, dropping around 50% in two years.[28] Overall suicide rates remained steady until a slight drop in 2003, followed by stable rates since then.[24]


Sure, not a total ban but severe restrictions on ownership and a ban on some kinds of weapons.
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The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a system of licensing and ownership controls.



So, they dramatically curtailed gun ownership at the peak of crime and crime went down afterward.  It similar to what happened around the world at the same time.  Crime was really bad, then governments enacted various polices and crime went down, didn't really seem to matter what policy was tried.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #15 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:44pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:05pm:
From wiki:

Sure, not a total ban but severe restrictions on ownership and a ban on some kinds of weapons.


So, they dramatically curtailed gun ownership at the peak of crime and crime went down afterward.  It similar to what happened around the world at the same time.  Crime was really bad, then governments enacted various polices and crime went down, didn't really seem to matter what policy was tried.


Ahhell, with all due respects, you're an American and so your comments can't be taken as being relevant to the rest of the world. Anything short of 400 a week being blown away by guns would probably seem to be a situation well under control.

It's o.k., massacres such as the one that took 19 children are the price worth paying for your 2A. The rest of the world has gun rights.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #16 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:52pm
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Some fun reading and some interesting graphs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-i...

Not for the fully indocrinated.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #17 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:12pm
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Don, with all due respect, your inability to read, means your comments on any matter can't taken as relevant.

The wiki article you linked to indicated that Australia dramatically changed there laws in a panic over one incident.  As a result there has been negligible effect on crime and violence in Australia. 

As is typical of you, you do not address the data or information presented, rather you just ignore and deny facts that contradict your opinion.


Edit:  As is typical of such articles, the NY times conflates murder and suicide rates.  2/3s of US gun deaths are suicide and yet we have lower or similar suicide rates than a number of the counties noted for their low gun deaths. 

Honestly, we have a violence problem in the US not a gun problem but that's a lot harder to fix so people like to focus on the guns.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #18 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 5:40pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
What prompted Australia?


To elect regressives to Parliament? Probably a rigged TwoParty "system", patronage, cronyism, gerrymandering  and buying votes.

Edit: Everybody should know that regressive governments always disarm law abiding people, because they fear us if we are armed. They imagine we will get tired of them robbing us and bossing us around and start hanging them... That's what I think.
  
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Re: Why has a ban on firearms worked so well for Australia?
Reply #19 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:25pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:05pm:
Crime was really bad, then governments enacted various polices and crime went down, didn't really seem to matter what policy was tried.
Right. No correlation at all.

There is evidence that correlates well with 'more guns out and about = less crime'.

That is the one policy scientifically proven to work.
  
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