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Re: "Socially Responsible Capitalism" is a Redundant Term
Reply #20 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 12:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:36am:
Probably not the Libertarian Party, but the TwoParties are still busy shooting themselves in their collective feet.

Here's some good information to the OP's point-

http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/17/economic-growth-capitalism-improves-stan?u...

Yes, a government that protects economic liberty under a rule of law is being "socially responsible. The results are clear.


If you are going to finally start talking about socially responsible capitalism, or lack of, you need to include the US statistics. Otherwise you're not making a comparison.

Then if you do, beware of making comparisons to countries in which the US has interfered in order to destroy success that can be compared to the US. Cuba would be an example of the very poorest demonstrating success that the US only envies!

The Scandinavian countries are completely out of reach for any comparisons, as we all well know by now.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 12:31pm
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The Scandinavian countries are completely out of reach for any comparisons, as we all well know by now.


We will never have the kind of success that Scandinavian countries do until we limit our immigration as strongly as Scandinavian countries do.

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In Norway (which is not an EU Member State but has signed on to the EU Dublin Regulation governing asylum), more than 31,000 asylum applications were lodged in 2015, and the country is bracing for as many as 60,000 new applicants this year. Meanwhile, Denmark, with its more restrictive immigration policies, proved less popular, receiving about 7,100 asylum applications in the first three quarters of 2015. Yet Denmark still managed to rank ninth per capita in asylum receipts for 2015.

Prior to this crisis, Scandinavian countries had some of the most generous refugee and asylum policies in Europe. Sweden, for example, began offering immediate permanent residence to all successful Syrian asylum applicants in 2013, while Finland provided some of the largest stipends to asylum seekers awaiting the outcome of their claims. Both still offer extensive integration programs for successful applicants.

As the continuing arrivals overwhelmed the asylum systems in these rich but small countries and once largely welcoming publics began to chafe at the growing burdens, policymakers began to recalibrate their policies.

The Nordic governments are aiming to reduce their desirability as destinations by tightening asylum benefits to the minimum standards. Sweden rolled back its permanent residence policy for all newly arriving Syrians, and has proposed granting only temporary status to successful asylum seekers of all nationalities, including Syrians. Sweden’s Interior Minister indicated 60,000 to 80,000 asylum applications likely will be rejected in 2016 based on past denial rates, and has asked several agencies to propose plans for increased deportations. Finland is also considering ways of swift and effective return for failed asylum seekers. Norway, meanwhile, has passed legislation making it easier to deport asylum seekers and migrants without valid claims, and Denmark has approved a controversial policy allowing authorities to confiscate valuables from new arrivals to help defray the costs of their accommodation.
Yeah.  Those are the things the U.S. should be doing to be more like Scandanavia.



  
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Reply #22 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 12:39pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
We will never have the kind of success that Scandinavian countries do until we limit our immigration as strongly as Scandinavian countries do.

Yeah.  Those are the things the U.S. should be doing to be more like Scandanavia.





Excuses for your country's mess are fine as long as they are valid. Immigration isn't and that comparison can be made to countries with higher immigration rates than the US.

But at least you accept the truth. Is Trump going to change that for you and make your country socially responsible?

Now accept that Canada's immigration is higher than yours and we're accepting immigrants that have been turned away from your country.

Which Scandinavian countries accept less immigrants than the US on a per capita basis? Seems like at first glance it can't be Norway and Sweden?


  
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Re: "Socially Responsible Capitalism" is a Redundant Term
Reply #23 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:32pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
If you are going to finally start talking about socially responsible capitalism, or lack of, you need to include the US statistics.
Economic liberty produces prosperity. Scandinavian nations have lots of economic liberty.
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:48pm
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Excuses for your country's mess are fine as long as they are valid. Immigration isn't and that comparison can be made to countries with higher immigration rates than the US.


Which countries admit more immigrants than the United States?

So if immigrants do not affect a country's economy negatively, why are your heroic Scandinavian countries rushing to limit immigration?  They just mean?

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Now accept that Canada's immigration is higher than yours and we're accepting immigrants that have been turned away from your country.
Canada accept fewer immigrants and has a larger land mass so I'm not sure what you're on about there.


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Which Scandinavian countries accept less immigrants than the US on a per capita basis? Seems like at first glance it can't be Norway and Sweden?
They made the mistake of letting in lots of immigrants without considering the consequences.  Now they are taking steps to correct that mistake.  The U.S. should do the same.

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we're accepting immigrants that have been turned away from your country.
It's the U.S. who are accepting immmigrants from Canada.  Most are economic refugees but many are simply seeking asylum from your socially irresponsible health system.



  
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Reply #25 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:00pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Which countries admit more immigrants than the United States?



Most likely all the modern first world countries since Trump took over.

We'll probably revisit all the rest of your wrong statements too in time. Written statistics ya know!
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:08pm
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Most likely all the modern first world countries since Trump took over.
So you're just guessing?  Well, I'm guessing that you're guessing wrong.

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We'll probably revisit all the rest of your wrong statements too in time. Written statistics ya know!
Yeah.  Sure you will.

  
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Reply #27 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:27pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:08pm:
So you're just guessing?  Well, I'm guessing that you're guessing wrong.

Yeah.  Sure you will.



Sure I will, every time you try to lie about it.

Don't just guess that I'm wrong, prove it. You could actually be right.

But then you already went and substantiated that you were wrong and quite happily wrong on Sweden. Your kind of people put a bad taste in socially responsible people's mouths. Not only are you completely socially irresponsible and void of any conscience, you seem to be proud of it.

Why burnsred, you are a Trump supporter!
  
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Re: "Socially Responsible Capitalism" is a Redundant Term
Reply #28 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:04pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
Economic liberty produces prosperity. Scandinavian nations have lots of economic liberty.
C'mon Donat dear, you're the expert on Norway...

They do have lots of economic liberty don't they? Certainly almost as much as Canada...

Your also the expert on Canada dear Donat; tell us who has more economic freedom, Norway or Canada? Thanks. Kiss
  
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Re: "Socially Responsible Capitalism" is a Redundant Term
Reply #29 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:10pm
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We'll probably revisit all the rest of your wrong statements too in time. Written statistics ya know!

Yeah.  Sure you will.


Sure I will, every time you try to lie about it.
So since you're not doing it now, I'll take that as your admission that I'm right about it.

  
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