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Reply #40 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:13pm
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Libertarians also believe that if you want to use Amendment IX and/or Amendment XIII to have your work(s) or invention(s) copylefted or copymodded or patented for all or license derivative modification(s) , then you must be allowed to do so because libertarians don't believe government must require you to have exclusive right(s) to your work(s) you write or type or draw or paint or color(s) or compose or invent.
  
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Reply #41 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:46pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:13pm:
Libertarians also believe that if you want to use Amendment IX and/or Amendment XIII to have your work(s) or invention(s) copylefted or copymodded or patented for all or license derivative modification(s) , then you must be allowed to do so because libertarians don't believe government must require you to have exclusive right(s) to your work(s) you write or type or draw or paint or color(s) or compose or invent.


Actually, almost all libertarians are small government libertarians and we believe that protecting property rights, including intellectual property, is one of the few legitimate functions of government.

You're referring to anarchists.  Anarchists are a tiny percent even when you're talking about just libertarians
  

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Reply #42 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:53pm
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Someone I know plays WoW heavily.

I've only really dabbled.

What interests me about it is that WoW Classic has such success.

For years, Blizzard, the company that makes WoW, refused to bring out Classic because, they said, it would not be a success, because players, they said, didn't really want to play that way anymore. It was just nostalgia.

The thing that forced the issue was (illegal) private WoW servers, using stolen code to provide Classic WoW to players. The forums were flooded with goodbye posts by people pleading that they didn't want to be pirates, but that modern WoW simply sucked, and they'd play on an illegal private server if they had to.

They lost players.

Competition happened.

Blizzard came out with Classic.

Wouldn't have happened (in a lot of peoples' opinions) if not for illegal piracy.

My mate's solution is to never, ever, ever, no matter what, stop anybody from doing or selling anything due to Intellectual Property.

However, if you're making money from someone else's idea, some of your profits are rightfully theirs. She even suggests price mandates to make sure the private servers don't cost less than actual WoW, and Blizzard gets a portion (no more than half). So no undercutting to ruin the rightful originators of a product, but if you can do it better, well then, they'd better keep up.

I wonder what libertarians have to say about this solution.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #43 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:16pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:46pm:
Actually, almost all libertarians are small government libertarians and we believe that protecting property rights, including intellectual property, is one of the few legitimate functions of government.

You're referring to anarchists.  Anarchists are a tiny percent even when you're talking about just libertarians
Wow! You get something right every once in a while too!

Law of averages.
  

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Reply #44 - Nov 2nd, 2019 at 5:19pm
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 2nd, 2019 at 4:53pm:
However, if you're making money from someone else's idea, some of your profits are rightfully theirs. She even suggests price mandates to make sure the private servers don't cost less than actual WoW, and Blizzard gets a portion (no more than half). So no undercutting to ruin the rightful originators of a product, but if you can do it better, well then, they'd better keep up.

I wonder what libertarians have to say about this solution.
It's sounds like the typical confused tripe that lawmakers use to try to sell fresh dogshit to taxpayers at a high price.

Of course that's really a classical liberal position...
  

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"Piracy" Laws a Waste. I'm sure libertarians allow voluntary sharing..
Reply #45 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:27pm
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... Jeff, kaz, I wasn't referring to anarchism when I said that libertarians don't oppose allowing hubeing(s) (not necessarily all hubeings) that voluntarily want to share their property.  If some hubeing(s) want their design(s) or novel(s) or picture(s) or music(s) or mark(s) or invention(s) copylefted or publicmarked or publicpatented, as in registered with the government (thus not anarchism) for total and complete sharing of any or all of said property, that said hubeing(s) want to voluntarily share and no desire and no ability of said hubeing(s) to sue for "infringement" , then libertarians allow said voluntary sharing of said property.
  
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Reply #46 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 8:19am
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AlayneLeung wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:27pm:
... Jeff, kaz, I wasn't referring to anarchism when I said that libertarians don't oppose allowing hubeing(s) (not necessarily all hubeings) that voluntarily want to share their property.  If some hubeing(s) want their design(s) or novel(s) or picture(s) or music(s) or mark(s) or invention(s) copylefted or publicmarked or publicpatented, as in registered with the government (thus not anarchism) for total and complete sharing of any or all of said property, that said hubeing(s) want to voluntarily share and no desire and no ability of said hubeing(s) to sue for "infringement" , then libertarians allow said voluntary sharing of said property.
"Copylefted"?

If you want to share your ideas or creations with everyone, just don't copyright or patent them.

Libertarians like voluntary sharing!

Why should you have to register your poem with the government if you just want it to be shared freely?
  

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Reply #47 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 9:17am
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AlayneLeung wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:27pm:
... Jeff, kaz, I wasn't referring to anarchism when I said that libertarians don't oppose allowing hubeing(s) (not necessarily all hubeings) that voluntarily want to share their property.  If some hubeing(s) want their design(s) or novel(s) or picture(s) or music(s) or mark(s) or invention(s) copylefted or publicmarked or publicpatented, as in registered with the government (thus not anarchism) for total and complete sharing of any or all of said property, that said hubeing(s) want to voluntarily share and no desire and no ability of said hubeing(s) to sue for "infringement" , then libertarians allow said voluntary sharing of said property.


No one thinks government should prevent you from sharing your ideas.  What is the point in that non-statement?
  

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Reply #48 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 10:31am
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kaz wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 9:17am:
No one thinks government should prevent you from sharing your ideas.  What is the point in that non-statement?
That no matter what you might want to do, you need government permission.
  

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Reply #49 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 11:16am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 10:31am:
That no matter what you might want to do, you need government permission.


So you need government permission to NOT get copyright, trademark and patent protection for your ideas.  Got it.

Now roll over and sleep it off, drunkard
  

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