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The Sun and Moon Stopped Moving??
Oct 30th, 2017 at 1:04pm
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https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/408199-bible-solar-eclipse-pharaohs/

Simple science picks the religious bullshit apart, one piece at a time. How's that for positive dating, right down to the day. And the hour and minute too if it was needed to make the point!
  
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Re: The Sun and Moon Stopped Moving??
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 1:13pm
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Right down to the day?  Your own post says:

The finding “enables us to revise by a few years the mainstream Egyptian chronology,” the scientists said. “Using these new calculations, the reign of Merneptah began in 1210 or 1209 BC … it would mean that Ramesses the Great reigned from 1276-1210 BC, with a precision of plus or minus one year, the most accurate dates available.”

Not sure what point you're making.  Your story tells me that historians are using the bible as a guide to dates in history.  Not sure how that constitutes science picking apart religion . . .
  
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Re: The Sun and Moon Stopped Moving??
Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 5:26pm
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burnsred wrote on Oct 30th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Not sure what point you're making.  Your story tells me that historians are using the bible as a guide to dates in history.  Not sure how that constitutes science picking apart religion . . .
His point is that the slightest provable error in ancient texts proves that all ancient texts are most certainly wrong.

Edit: It's not a competent theorist, and it's a bad ideologue with irrational thought processes.

Not my fault. Please don't make me pay.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 6:05pm
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Sure, this proves that the King James version of the Bible is not inerrantly true, shocking!
  
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Re: The Sun and Moon Stopped Moving??
Reply #4 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 2:34pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 30th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Sure, this proves that the King James version of the Bible is not inerrantly true, shocking!


It's a point worth making. It has to be the inerrant truth because it's the word of god.

And that's what's behind my whole point. The moon and the sun didn't stand still but that's what was perceived to have happened by those who wrote that socalled word of god.

So in a sense Jeff is right that I'm discounting everything that was written, as pertains to the bible. How could it possibly be any other way once we have proven it to be flawed by the lack of understanding an eclipse?

For our religious scholars, or for those who don't take any position one way or the other:

It would be interesting to hear how the bible or any other christian written word, if any, has predicted something that science has lately proven to be correct. For example, did the bible hint at the universe being billions of years old?

Anything really?
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 4:32pm
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Don_G wrote on Oct 31st, 2017 at 2:34pm:
It's a point worth making. It has to be the inerrant truth because it's the word of god.


Obviously you misunderstand the Bible completely. Mostly it is the stories of the people among who some of God's Prophets arose.

The Bible is in fact thinly sown with the actual words of God (As well as humans could understand them anyway.) Come to think of it, the times where God actually spoke to people were all related to us by fallible humans, Prophets or not.

Others will disagree.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 1st, 2017 at 9:55pm
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It's a point worth making. It has to be the inerrant truth because it's the word of god.


Obviously you misunderstand the Bible completely. Mostly it is the stories of the people among who some of God's Prophets arose.
Many people believe it is indeed the unerring word of god.  Fortunately, we all still have the right to believe as we choose.

  
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Re: The Sun and Moon Stopped Moving??
Reply #7 - Nov 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am
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Don_G wrote on Oct 31st, 2017 at 2:34pm:
It's a point worth making. It has to be the inerrant truth because it's the word of god.
Nonsense.  As noted by Jeff, mostly its stories told by humans about humans.  Lots of parables and metaphors to explain stuff that was poorly understood at the time.   Some of those metaphors could be form good trying to explain things to ignorant savages. Much as a parent does for children.  Or how sense is at best a moderately accurate model of the universe. 

I'm always amused by atheists who seem to want the Fundies to be right about Christianity, personally, I want the moderate and liberals to be right and if they can accept the bible is a large collection of metaphors, so can I.
  
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Re: The Sun and Moon Stopped Moving??
Reply #8 - Nov 2nd, 2017 at 10:00am
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There are Christians who do believe that the bible is literally and absolutely the word of God, true in every respect.  When you ask them if they mean the King James version, they usually fall back on some earlier edition.  Ask where you can read that edition and they will usually admit it no longer exists, but when it did, it was indeed the word of God.  So, it's a tautology - the word of God is (was) the word of God.

This is news to very few people.  All that has been hashed out many times for decades and even centuries.  Only Don seems to find himself clever in that he "discovered" that bibles can't really be the unerring truth written by God.

  
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Re: The Sun and Moon Stopped Moving??
Reply #9 - Nov 2nd, 2017 at 10:18am
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burnsred wrote on Nov 2nd, 2017 at 10:00am:
There are Christians who do believe that the bible is literally and absolutely the word of God, true in every respect.

And there are plenty of 'progressives' that think Marx's writings are 'Truth'.
  
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