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Re: Millennials Would Rather Live In Socialist Or Communist Nation
Reply #90 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 6:22am
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:45pm:
But yes: The picture is exactly how it is. The average Human can't delay gratification. He will pick instant reward over sustainability every time.
When your bank charges you money to save there, and only risky investments pay more than the rate of real inflation, it makes perfect sense to spend your money as fast as you earn it.

If you aren't earning the money you receive, and have been promised that the payments will continue, you have even more incentive to spend it as fast as you get it.

Add to that the incessant predictions that the world will end in 12 years, and I think you can explain most of the trend towards instant gratification... Not to mention that gen X'ers and later have mostly been raised to understand that whatever they want, someone will give it to them.

News from Russia:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-targets-dissentersright-in-their-bank-accoun...

The lead in:

"MOSCOW—One morning in September, Andrei Yegorov woke to discover his bank account was frozen and in the red to the tune of 75 million rubles, almost $1.2 million.

Across Russia, opposition activists say hundreds of people have found that they, too, inexplicably are 75 million rubles in the hole—"

Edit: You can see from the chart tracking inflation as the government calculated it in 1980 is running along steadily at around 10%/year.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

Best to spend it quickly, eh?
  

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Re: Millennials Would Rather Live In Socialist Or Communist Nation
Reply #91 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:18pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 6:22am:
... the incessant predictions that the world will end in 12 years, and I think you can explain most of the trend towards instant gratification... Not to mention that gen X'ers and later have mostly been raised to understand that whatever they want, someone will give it to them.
Here is a new idea as to why millennials gravitate towards socialism/redistribution:

Immigration.    It's changing the demography of the United States. The number of foreign-born U.S. residents and their children has been estimated at almost 60 million, or about 1 in 5 U.S. residents. Some 27% of California residents were born outside of America, which is amazing.  The shift towards a socialist California should not surprise anyone.

Many immigrants come from impoverished socialist states of Latin America.  It makes sense they would seek a better form of socialism.  This is what the democrats leaders promise.  Redistribution and lots of free stuff for anyone who wants it.  Who wouldn't want that (beside the Taxpayers who must pay for it)?

Many cross our border illegally, and instantly become a burden on Taxpayers.   Democrats exploit this fact to the fullest.  They have a democrat voter for life if they can keep these immigrants dependent on government hand-outs.

(generally speaking - - of course not ALL immigrants need public assistance)

Also, Democrats are good at making people believe that everyone should be paid equally - regardless of skills, performance, and education.  Naturally, the unskilled immigrants love this idea. 

And Naturally the people who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to get their degrees hate it.

Misery is directly proportional to the socialism.
  

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Reply #92 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:29pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Here is a new idea as to why millennials gravitate towards socialism/redistribution:

Immigration.
The premise is that people leaving countries with really bad governments want to come to America and make America's government really bad in the same ways that the governments of the countries they left are bad?

I don't buy it.
  

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Reply #93 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:31pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:29pm:
The premise is that people leaving countries with really bad governments want to come to America and make America's government really bad in the same ways that the governments of the countries they left are bad?

I don't buy it.


Look what ex-Californians are doing to their neighbors.  They are turning them all into the blue State shit holes they turned California into
  

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Reply #94 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:33pm
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https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/under-socialism-worst-get-top?utm_ca...

From the article:

"Bryan Hyde broadcasting at Loving Liberty Radio shared the life experiences of a Romanian who “grew up” under communism and “fled to the UK.” “Living with communism” is like having the “worst person” you know be “empowered to control every aspect of [your] life.” Only the worst people “could and would do the things necessary to survive within the communist structure - and the higher up they are... the more ruthless and corrupt they have to be."

Collectivism, the Romanian expatriate warns, is “not a bunch of toddlers cheerfully sharing toys at daycare – it is an open-air prison."
  

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Reply #95 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:36pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
Look what ex-Californians are doing to their neighbors.  They are turning them all into the blue State shit holes they turned California into
I didn't know that many people were fleeing Kalifornia... Shocked
  

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Reply #96 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:44pm
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:45pm:
Libertarians are the exception. They want everyone to have freedom.


This is exactly what I used to believe. I'm trying to be better than that.

Yes, I am lashed to the bug, and it's going toward the flame. I could cry out, lash the bug down too, make it not go toward the flame!

But I won't. I would rather burn up than deprive someone else of their freedom and their right to a say in how they are governed.


By your definition then you are the only libertarian here all the rest are like tie them down don't let em go to the island.
  
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Reply #97 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:48pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Many cross our border illegally, and instantly become a burden on Taxpayers.   Democrats exploit this fact to the fullest.  They have a democrat voter for life if they can keep these immigrants dependent on government hand-outs.


Dude everyone I know irl says this is not true they help the economy are not on welfare and don't even qualify for it.
  
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Reply #98 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 3:48pm
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Industry wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:48pm:
Dude everyone I know irl says this is not true they help the economy are not on welfare and don't even qualify for it.


Illegal aliens get free education, free medial care, they have babies who go on welfare and get money that is spent by the whole family as they may live a dozen people in a small space.  That you think illegal aliens don't get free shit is you needing to pay more attention
  

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Re: Millennials Would Rather Live In Socialist Or Communist Nation
Reply #99 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 3:56pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
kaz wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
Look what ex-Californians are doing to their neighbors.  They are turning them all into the blue State shit holes they turned California into

I didn't know that many people were fleeing Kalifornia... Shocked
They are fleeing in droves.

I don't agree that they are turning them into Blue State shitholes, though.

The ones fleeing California are trying to escape socialism and the highest taxes in the nation.

We have friends that fled to Oregon and Arizona.  The ones who went to Oregon had their cars and property vandalized once the locals found out they moved from California.  Things settled down when their neighbors found out they weren't democrats.  Some neighbors even chipped in to repair the damage by the vandals.
  

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