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Reply #10 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:32am
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burnsred wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 7:55am:
But you can answer this one yourself:  Did you and twenty-two or so of your fellow solid citizens really have nothing more productive you could have been doing than listening solemnly to accusations of weedwhacker bushwhacking and pressure washer snatching?

In my county their are 16 people on a grand jury. Yes, most of them sacrificed to sit on the jury. We also heard evidence of a kidnapping, manslaughter, a murder, several child molestation's and a few cruelty to animals cases, as well as several car thefts and a few instances of assault.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:34am
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But was the cost of the grand jury, the courts, the police, the jails and the prisons worth the satisfaction of seeing scrap thieves get their comeupance?
The value to the entire community of keeping theft to a minimum is worth it.
Theft declined in that community?  You have stats to back that up or are you just assuming?  Because I don't know of many communities that have experienced a reduction in theft due to increased enforcement so that would be pretty newsworthy.

Increased security often reduces theft, but that has to be provided either by volunteers in neighborhood watches or private security companies.  Police are much too busy focusing on checking to make sure that people purchased liability insurance for their cars and are wearing their seat belts to actually prevent crime. 



  
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Reply #12 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:06am
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In my county their are 16 people on a grand jury. Yes, most of them sacrificed to sit on the jury. We also heard evidence of a kidnapping, manslaughter, a murder, several child molestation's and a few cruelty to animals cases, as well as several car thefts and a few instances of assault.
Then all the more regrettable that their time was taken with cases of law mower theft.  Or, I don't know, I'm not the dictator.  Maybe that's exactly what grand juries should be focusing on and I'm in the minority view about the lessor importance of theft of small home machinery compared to murder and child rape.  Under a libertarian system, a free market would decide on which cases grand juries should focus.  How are priorities determined under our current system?  Be specific, please.  Don't just say "by the law" or something vague like that because regardless of what the law says, there are humans who determine which laws to prioritize.  By who and how and by what criteria is that determination now made?


  
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Reply #13 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 12:07pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:34am:
  Police are much too busy focusing on checking to make sure that people purchased liability insurance for their cars and are wearing their seat belts to actually prevent crime. 





A necessary part of good policing and shouldn't take away from their ability to police all crime. It's a necessary job and it gives them something to do while they're waiting around for the next mass shooting they know is coming somewhere in America every day!

It's also expressing by another pseudo-libertarian, his unwillingness to abide by the laws of the system. He needs to move out into the bush where he won't need to be a part of society. And no taxes!
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 12:31pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
A necessary part of good policing and shouldn't take away from their ability to police all crime. It's a necessary job and it gives them something to do while they're waiting around for the next mass shooting they know is coming somewhere in America every day!

It's also expressing by another pseudo-libertarian, his unwillingness to abide by the laws of the system. He needs to move out into the bush where he won't need to be a part of society. And no taxes!
Making sure people buy things from favored companies is a necessary part of policing?
  
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Reply #15 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:09pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 11:06am:
Then all the more regrettable that their time was taken with cases of law mower theft.  Or, I don't know, I'm not the dictator.  Maybe that's exactly what grand juries should be focusing on and I'm in the minority view about the lessor importance of theft of small home machinery compared to murder and child rape.  Under a libertarian system, a free market would decide on which cases grand juries should focus.  How are priorities determined under our current system?  Be specific, please.  Don't just say "by the law" or something vague like that because regardless of what the law says, there are humans who determine which laws to prioritize.  By who and how and by what criteria is that determination now made?


People don't like having their stuff stolen so they complain to the police when it happens. If sufficient evidence is found, grand juries will indict the alleged thief and juries will try them.

The threat of punishment does not stop everyone from stealing.
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:14pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 7:55am:
Owners of ships that wish to sail the seas unmolested by pirates and tyrants.


OK. You imagine that the people of the former Colonies could have relied on a privately funded and controlled navy to protect them from losing their new won independence and liberty.

What would have prevented the wealthiest merchant ship owner from paying the private navy to sink or seize the merchant ships of his competitors?
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:09pm:
People don't like having their stuff stolen so they complain to the police when it happens. If sufficient evidence is found, grand juries will indict the alleged thief and juries will try them.

The threat of punishment does not stop everyone from stealing.


How can citizens be expected to be honest in the US when they know their supreme court is corrupt.

The evidence: It makes decisions based on political views. They'r paid political hacks before they got the supreme court. It's different in Canada but you won't care about that. Even though you'll usually try to bait me into explaining something to you.

You'll just go off on a drunken and drugged fury when you get an answer.
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:26pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
How can citizens be expected to be honest in the US when they know their supreme court is corrupt.

The Supreme Court doesn't hear criminal cases. It's not within their jurisdiction.

The local courts enforce the common law, which doesn't make people honest, but simply punishes people who are caught violating other people's rights.

Do you never have anything to say that is on topic?
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 1:26pm:
The Supreme Court doesn't hear criminal cases. It's not within their jurisdiction.

The local courts enforce the common law, which doesn't make people honest, but simply punishes people who are caught violating other people's rights.

Do you never have anything to say that is on topic?


Excuses monkey boy.
  
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