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Nov 9th, 2017 at 3:58am
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Reply #2 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 12:06pm
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The most fundamental principle of libertarianism is self-ownership.  Suicide is one of those natural rights like self-defense.

Physician-assisted suicide is "legal" in the following states;

Oregon
Washington
Vermont
California
Montana
Colorado
Washington DC

The State declaring suicide "illegal" is dumb.  Because it cannot be prosecuted in a court of Law.  There is no "rehabilitation" or punishment for someone who chooses to end their own life.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 12:21pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
The most fundamental principle of libertarianism is self-ownership.  Suicide is one of those natural rights like self-defense.

Physician-assisted suicide is "legal" in the following states;

Oregon
Washington
Vermont
California
Montana
Colorado
Washington DC

The State declaring suicide "illegal" is dumb.  Because it cannot be prosecuted in a court of Law.  There is no "rehabilitation" or punishment for someone who chooses to end their own life.

Not to state my opinion one way or the other because to me that's not the most important consideration here.

But to say that nothing can be nuanced and thought out completely with you. You have this faux-libertarian agenda that's always kneejerk. It has a lot to do with pseudo-libertarianism in general and why their ideas can never be reality in politics.

At least Jeff and burnsred differ in that respect. Jeff when he's serious and sober at least.

You're always too easy to read Skyfairy. Simplistic nonsense dribbling out of your ears all the time.  The world doesn't work that way.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 12:21pm
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Obviously suicide shouldn't be illegal.  Assisted suicide should be legal but there should be some checks.  A third party evaluation of the person requesting it.  I wouldn't want a society where ingrate kids just bully their parents into suicide to speed up inheritance.

I'd let Dr's professional organizations set the rules so long as they don't seem crazy. 

  
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Don_G wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
You have this faux-libertarian agenda that's always kneejerk. It has a lot to do with pseudo-libertarianism in general and why their ideas can never be reality in politics.

You're always too easy to read Skyfairy. Simplistic nonsense dribbling out of your ears all the time.  The world doesn't work that way.

Your frustration is understandable.  Your views are insignificant on this forum, and I tower over you intellectually.  Naturally, you lash out in anger.

In the future, try to formulate a sensible argument, Don_G.  Your feeble ad-hominem attacks bore me.
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
Your frustration is understandable.  Your views are insignificant on this forum, and I tower over you intellectually.  Naturally, you lash out in anger.

In the future, try to formulate a sensible argument, Don_G.  Your feeble ad-hominem attacks bore me.
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You are an annoyance, I have to admit. But there's no chance of you being any threat to my ideas because you can't even claim a workable agenda.

Can somebody like you find allies when you have already admitted defeat of the libertarian philosophy? I would like to hear it!
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:29pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
You are an annoyance, I have to admit. But there's no chance of you being any threat to my ideas because you can't even claim a workable agenda.

Can somebody like you find allies when you have already admitted defeat of the libertarian philosophy? I would like to hear it!

I refuse engage in a tit-for-tat exchange of insults with you.    Let's discuss the topic.  I said:

SkyChief wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
The State declaring suicide "illegal" is dumb.  Because it cannot be prosecuted in a court of Law.  There is no "rehabilitation" or punishment for someone who chooses to end their own life.


Is my logic flawed?   How would you propose to rehabilitate someone who has killed themself?
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:46pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
I refuse engage in a tit-for-tat exchange of insults with you.    Let's discuss the topic.  I said:


Is my logic flawed?   How would you propose to rehabilitate someone who has killed themself?


Against my better judgment because it's always just too simplistic with you. I suppose it has to be with a libertarian.

For example: A non-starter question of how to rehab somebody who has killed oneself.

And as to your simplistic politics: You come on as usual with only one consideration on suicide and your imagined right to do so. There are several other considerations that are beyond your ability to understand.

The best approach with somebody like you is to not try to explain something more complicated than basic libertarian imaginings. It's better to lead them to water and hope they will drink. Or in the case of a forum, somebody else will tell you.

As to how we will discuss issues between us. I'll be telling you how we'll do it. Basically, it will be on my terms or not at all.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:55pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
As to how we will discuss issues between us. I'll be telling you how we'll do it. Basically, it will be on my terms or not at all.

Very well. Discussion over.
  
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