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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #10 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 2:22pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
He seems to be thinking of some people not being full citizens and that's a non-starter for me. Therefore I interpret it as a 'yes'.  Don't you?
Lots of people aren't full citizens in most societies.  Recent immigrants for instance.  I'd just give people a choice to be full citizens or not.  I would not for bar freedom of travel on that score but would consider abridging voting rights or government hand outs for instance.


  
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Reply #11 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 2:44pm
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He seems to be thinking of some people not being full citizens and that's a non-starter for me. Therefore I interpret it as a 'yes'.  Don't you?
No.  But you make a reasonable argument. 

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I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that there's no libertarian principle that can be held up as sacred. It's all bullshit unless one starts with libertarianism as a realistic premise to begin with.
But you have never expressed a single libertarian principle.   

  
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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #12 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 2:49pm
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Your powers of deduction are amazing! Amazingly flawed. Almost all libertarians/classical liberals think conscription is absolutely wrong, including me.
Why do you oppose conscription?  I'll make it multiple choice:

a)  Because America doesn't need an Army or Navy anyway.
b)  Because you get better recruits when you seek volunteers instead of draftees.
c)  Because it requires that the government initiate force against people who haven't committed crimes which is always wrong even for the best of causes like defending the nation.
d)  Because having draftees in the military makes powerful decision makers less likely to use the military for good purposes since their kids might be drafted.

  
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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #13 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 2:53pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
No.  But you make a reasonable argument. 

But you have never expressed a single libertarian principle.   



I don't try to pass off fantasies are any kind of principle. If you elminate the fantasy ideas then I think I have expressed that which remains of the libertarian principle.

I'm fine with small government, keeping in mind that which is possible.

What else is real libertarian? Something about not paying income tax? That doesn't fit in with what's possible in my opinion.

What libertarian principles do you support? If you have more than many then I would be happy hearing say about 4 or 5 to work with.
  
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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #14 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 3:56pm
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What libertarian principles do you support? If you have more than many then I would be happy hearing say about 4 or 5 to work with.
There is really one libertarian principle out of which all the others spring.
  
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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #15 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 4:52pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 7:53am:
One month ago, I would have never thought to ask that question for fear of being flamed into oblivion for asking such an obvious queston.  Now I wonder.

Is it safe to assume that each and every poster who calls themselves a libertarian is unalterably opposed to a draft no matter what the circumstances?  That there is no situation in which conscripting people into military service is acceptable, be it historical or hypothetical?


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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #16 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 6:47pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Why do you oppose conscription?
It's immoral.
  
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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #17 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 7:55pm
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Why do you oppose conscription?
It's immoral.
Come on, Jeff.  You're better than that.  Why is it immoral?  Don't say "Because it's wrong." or some other dodge.  Answer or don't answer but don't waste space on this board.
  
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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #18 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 8:22pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
Come on, Jeff.  You're better than that.  Why is it immoral?  Don't say "Because it's wrong." or some other dodge.  Answer or don't answer but don't waste space on this board.


dude don't talk to that wacko hes dumb as a sack of shit he doesn't even understand what hes replying to
  
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Re: How do the Libertarians here Feel about Conscription?
Reply #19 - Nov 10th, 2017 at 8:37am
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burnsred wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
Come on, Jeff.  You're better than that.  Why is it immoral?
Why would it be moral? Can you think of a single reason? I can't.

BTW, asking how libertarians feel about conscription on a libertarian forum is the real waste of bandwidth and time.
  
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