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Re: How Can Libertarianism be Realistically Implemented?
Reply #10 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 8:37am
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burnsred wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 10:28pm:
Actually, I've come to the conclusion that people such as you and Jeff who either advocate that the U.S. become as socialist as Europe but with perhaps more emphasis on permissiveness (modern liberals) or who only advocate a smaller government under our current system rather than a true libertarian government (classical liberals) are the biggest impediments to the success of libertarianism.  Not only by taking up space on this forum which is intended for libertarianism to be discussed but also that  you take up nearly the entire national political conversation in the United States. 

Jeff can be rehabilitated, I think.  By that I mean that someday I might welcome him as a neighbor.  Don_G., you, on the other hand, I'm afraid will likely have to be simply eliminated.





Juuuuust kidding!



How do you envision the "success of libertarianism"?
It's not at all clear to me if you maintain that limited government (such as was designed by classical liberals)  is an impediment to it's success. All I can imagine is that you think anarchy is a necessary condition to the "success of lbertarianism"... But you speak of a "true libertarian government"... What do you mean by that?

To once again clarify my position, our "current system" is not the limited government designed by the classical liberal's Constitution.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 10:34am
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My answer is no.  Not because it can't be successful but because people as a rule are afraid and do not trust themselves to succeed or fail on their own.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 12:02pm
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burnsred wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 10:28pm:
Actually, I've come to the conclusion that people such as you and Jeff who either advocate that the U.S. become as socialist as Europe but with perhaps more emphasis on permissiveness (modern liberals) or who only advocate a smaller government under our current system rather than a true libertarian government (classical liberals) are the biggest impediments to the success of libertarianism.  Not only by taking up space on this forum which is intended for libertarianism to be discussed but also that  you take up nearly the entire national political conversation in the United States. 

Jeff can be rehabilitated, I think.  By that I mean that someday I might welcome him as a neighbor.  Don_G., you, on the other hand, I'm afraid will likely have to be simply eliminated.





Juuuuust kidding!





Kidding or otherwise burnsred, the fringe element will eliminate themselves. The problem is, I don't hear much cohesiveness on this forum and so when the fringe elemnts all go their separate ways, I'm not sure whose politics will be left to lead the movement.

Certainly not Jeff's. Maybe you and ahhell have something in common?

You're right that there should be more discussion on libertariansim. Other topics are sucking the air out of the room.

I'm always open to finding something in common to your politics.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 2:40pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
You're right that there should be more discussion on libertariansim. Other topics are sucking the air out of the room.


You should take note of the topics you start and the replies you post Donat.
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:54pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 2:40pm:
You should take note of the topics you start and the replies you post Donat.


What an unkind thing to say jeff!

Do you think I'm deliberately trying to disrupt topics on libertarianism?

I do. It's because it's pseudo-libertarianism and we both know it's impossible bullshit that can never see the light of day.

You do it your way and I'll do it mine. Together we can gleefully kick the skyfairy's ass all around the block.

Burnsred? He's redefining the libertarian's politics so we'll have to bear with him until he finds something permanent to go with.
  
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Reply #15 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 5:28pm
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Don_G wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Do you think I'm deliberately trying to disrupt topics on libertarianism?

I do.
It's obvious.
  
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