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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #30 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 7:52pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 7:38pm:
This link has been all over the forum and posted in response to you at least twice that I know of. You're a confirmed liar.

Human liberty is a good in and of itself.

Their is vast long term evidence proving that denying human liberty, besides being evil in and of itself, has wide ranging evil results.

Any claim that liberty has "failed" requires concrete evidence.
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #31 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 11:40pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 7:52pm:
Human liberty is a good in and of itself.

Their is vast long term evidence proving that denying human liberty, besides being evil in and of itself, has wide ranging evil results.

Any claim that liberty has "failed" requires concrete evidence.


What better evidence is there than a covey of pseudo-libertarians whining about their corrupt government, you silly wanker. should we believe libertarians or just write them off as a few batshit crazed misfits?
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #32 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 2:06am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 6:27pm:
Baldfaced assertions that liberty failed to serve human interests require serious proofs.

You have none, because none exist.


You changed your tune from "no proofs exist" to some nebulous assertion that you need more "concrete" evidence. Kansas lowered taxes. Kansas tests your original criterion that:

Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 6:53am:
What libertarians point out is, when the scale slides toward the human good of liberty, more wealth is created, and when the scale slides toward central control and the restriction of liberty, the creation of wealth diminishes.


And Kansas failed. I will post the link AGAIN. But this is the last time I'll do it.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/19/kansas-tax-cut-experiment-a-predictable

Funny thing is, this is exactly what I said you'd do: Dissemble and whine that the experiment in more freedom was not free enough.

Neither side is willing to be even the least bit scientific. Socialists dismiss every result of socialism. Libertarians dismiss every result of freedom.

You can kiss your country goodbye because no one actually wants to find out which policies work. All of you, every single ass-scratching, tick-picking, diseased ape on the planet just wants the policies that advantage himself. Not a one of you is willing to discuss the results of the policies you like with an open mind.
  

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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #33 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 5:32am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 2:06am:
Funny thing is, this is exactly what I said you'd do: Dissemble and whine that the experiment in more freedom was not free enough.


You are confusing "free" as in "'free' benefits from the state' for me!" and "free" as in "liberty".

Kansas cut taxes but <b>didn't reduce spending</b>, and then had budget problems:  AND YOU TRY TO CLAIM THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH LIBERTARIANISM?
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #34 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 5:38am
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Don_G wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 12:37pm:
And thank you for your reply. I included 'neither' in my choices but that's not realistic in my opinion so I'm glad you didn't choose it because that would have led to disagreement.

However, supply siders seem to contend that the Austrian school is consistent with their Supply side theories.

Fwiw, I think you should take a closer look at Keynesian theory.

My main point is that I would like to see this as a start to a serious discussion by some of the others. They may not be capable because of anger over having their supply side views exposed to scrutiny. But one thing for sure is that most of them 'are' supplysiders!


You are the filthiest skanky piece of subhuman garbage i've had the misfortune of perceiving since I stopped watching TV.

Libertarians study Austrian Economics you god damned child of satan.
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #35 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:11am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 2:06am:
You changed your tune from "no proofs exist" to some nebulous assertion that you need more "concrete" evidence. Kansas lowered taxes. Kansas tests your original criterion that:


And Kansas failed. I will post the link AGAIN. But this is the last time I'll do it.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/19/kansas-tax-cut-experiment-a-predictable

Funny thing is, this is exactly what I said you'd do: Dissemble and whine that the experiment in more freedom was not free enough.

Neither side is willing to be even the least bit scientific. Socialists dismiss every result of socialism. Libertarians dismiss every result of freedom.

You can kiss your country goodbye because no one actually wants to find out which policies work. All of you, every single ass-scratching, tick-picking, diseased ape on the planet just wants the policies that advantage himself. Not a one of you is willing to discuss the results of the policies you like with an open mind.
That fact that the changes Kansas made to it's tax code didn't produce an economic miracle in Kansas is not "proof" that economic liberty does not work. People in Kansas were still subject to all the laws and regulations (both state, local and national) that hinder or prohibit economic liberty, as well as remaining subject to federal taxes.

You are correct. Economic freedom was not tested in Kansas. They fiddled with the tax code, that's all.
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #36 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 8:25am
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More "socially responsible" government and economics...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-left-sets-honduras-on-fire-1512338216
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #37 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 8:30am
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DontTread44 wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 5:44pm:
He said principles advocated by Von Mises and Hayek were implemented into economic policies in Kansas, which was one of the most thriving states in the Union. He said as a result of these policies, Kansas is now among the poorest. (I checked, and they are actually at no. 27 on the rich to poor list)

He also likened their policies to Somalia, where there is apparently anarchy. And he said things were going terrible there. But I question whether a state is still present there or not, defining true anarchy.

He said word for word Von Mises and Hayek argue "taxation is theft", and he proposed the question, "what are you supposed to do instead?", which doesn't really justify the morality of taxation but still, he is a biased douche.

What are your takes on this?


Are you in high school or college?

When you strip away all the jargon of the economics profession, what this ultimately boils down to is whether we have good boundaries WRT property rights.  When the state and its banking elite allies are allowed to slowly and invisibly take wealth from the rest of the population by controlling money and other financial assets, property rights are violated, and the whole basis of society is eroded.  The final result of this erosion includes inequality, addiction, pollution, terrorism and war.

I'm not familiar with the Kansas experiment, but if you apply libertarian economics to an economy that is connected by trade (never mind by a monetary union with the rest of the US!) to what is essentially a global monetary-political imperial system, that libertarian economy will be under disadvantage and be in trouble eventually, if not immediately.  (Switzerland is a mild example.)
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #38 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 11:44am
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merkelstan wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 5:38am:
You are the filthiest skanky piece of subhuman garbage i've had the misfortune of perceiving since I stopped watching TV.

Libertarians study Austrian Economics you god damned child of satan.


Now that's the spirit I've been expecting from you merkelstan! You're another closet supplysider for sure but the theory has been so discredited since Reaganonomics was proven to be a fraud that you have to hide it. Your anger says it all!
  
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Re: My economics teacher had this to say about Von Mises and Hayek...
Reply #39 - Dec 4th, 2017 at 11:49am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:11am:
That fact that the changes Kansas made to it's tax code didn't produce an economic miracle in Kansas is not "proof" that economic liberty does not work. People in Kansas were still subject to all the laws and regulations (both state, local and national) that hinder or prohibit economic liberty, as well as remaining subject to federal taxes.

You are correct. Economic freedom was not tested in Kansas. They fiddled with the tax code, that's all.


Even failures such as Kansas's experiment that decimated the economy doesn't ring any bells with you wankers. It must have been the government and the Marxists!
  
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