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How is government to blame for inflated healthcare costs....
Dec 2nd, 2017 at 3:15pm
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...if we had the same problem before the Affordable Care Act?
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 4:02pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 3:15pm:
...if we had the same problem before the Affordable Care Act?

the employer mandate stated the problem by take the people above the povetry line   out of there health care chouses and gave the rip off system in america to grow the system was messed up before the aca was ever passed
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 6:45pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 3:15pm:
...if we had the same problem before the Affordable Care Act?
As has been posted many times on this forum, it started with wage and price controls during WWII. The entire government screw up has been well documented and explained.
It really amounts to government interference with free markets, and that explains it all, broadly.
  
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Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 6:45pm:
As has been posted many times on this forum, it started with wage and price controls during WWII. The entire government screw up has been well documented and explained.
It really amounts to government interference with free markets, and that explains it all, broadly.

u mean the rationing during ww2 that ended after ww2 and some times in war u have to make shure u can keep ur solgers well fed  that was hard to do while  with peace time police before the invations of [post war america
  
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thermf5 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:19pm:
u mean the rationing during ww2
No. Wage and price controls.
They had consequences, one of which was "free" medical insurance as a benefit of employment. The government made it a tax deductible expense for the employers who offered it.
  
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Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:40pm:
No. Wage and price controls.
They had consequences, one of which was "free" medical insurance as a benefit of employment. The government made it a tax deductible expense for the employers who offered it.

that the emoyor mandate in its precursor from thank for the info i will look for other references thank u jeff no joke
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:53pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 3:15pm:
...if we had the same problem before the Affordable Care Act?


Health care will always increase in price and never decrease because there will never be a price ceiling. For there to be any downward pressure on price, some people have to not get the product because it's too expensive.

Charity prevents that happening just as much as government handouts. The price will rise until the entire economy collapses, no matter what policies pass or don't pass.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 1:12am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:53pm:
Health care will always increase in price and never decrease because there will never be a price ceiling. For there to be any downward pressure on price, some people have to not get the product because it's too expensive.

Charity prevents that happening just as much as government handouts. The price will rise until the entire economy collapses, no matter what policies pass or don't pass.
not if u can reverse engerng the prodect legily or unregulate the helth care system that a dotor just give u a recomendtion and u go a chemist to buy it
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 4:46am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:53pm:
Health care will always increase in price and never decrease because there will never be a price ceiling. For there to be any downward pressure on price, some people have to not get the product because it's too expensive.

Charity prevents that happening just as much as government handouts. The price will rise until the entire economy collapses, no matter what policies pass or don't pass.


I see your longstanding tradition of posting things which seem logical to you but are completely contrary to fact continues...

All 'systems' ration healthcare.  Socialized medicine limits access to treatments and has waiting lists.  See England's NHS for example, which denies a whole host of procedures to old people.

"Time to die, citizen"

The only way to avoid rationing is to allow a free market.  Medicine in the USA was not a free market before the ACA.
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:05am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:53pm:
For there to be any downward pressure on price, some people have to not get the product because it's too expensive.

If you could only somehow understand the basics of economic liberty...

In a free market, when prices go up due to shortages, people see an opportunity to make money, so they start competitive businesses, where they can perhaps sell the same product or service just a bit cheaper and still get rich... or discover a cheaper (and sometimes better) substitute product, or discover a new source of the scarce product or service...

That's what creates downward pressure on prices. That and innovation, which discovers new ways to provide the same (or better) products and services for less.

It is exactly these elements of free markets, competition and innovation, elements that work to reduce prices and increase supply, that government interference prevents.
  
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