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If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:10pm
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. . . from entering the United States for medical treatment, how much would that bring down U.S. health care costs? 

I'm thinking specifically of Mexicans and Canadians, but plenty of people cross oceans to get here for medical treatment also.  Anyone have statistics on how much such a ban would save?

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Re: If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
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burnsred wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:10pm:
. . . from entering the United States for medical treatment, how much would that bring down U.S. health care costs? 

I'm thinking specifically of Mexicans and Canadians, but plenty of people cross oceans to get here for medical treatment also.  Anyone have statistics on how much such a ban would save?

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Probably not a cent burnsred. It would only cheat the free market out of a huge profit they make on a simple medical procedure. So assuming a private hospital charges about $100,00 for an appendectomy, they would be losing, say, 95,000 or thereabouts?

Pretty funny burnsred!
  
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Re: If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
Reply #2 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:34pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Probably not a cent burnsred. It would only cheat the free market out of a huge profit they make on a simple medical procedure. So assuming a private hospital charges about $100,00 for an appendectomy, they would be losing, say, 95,000 or thereabouts?

Pretty funny burnsred!

A 2009 study showed that appendix removals around the U.S. can range from $1,500 all the way up to [b]$180,000.[b] On average, the surgery costs about $33,000. The Obama Administration released a report in 2013 that showed how hospital costs could vary as much as $200,000 for the same procedure.Jan 2, 2014 [/quote]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-an-appendectomy-reddit-user-posts-55000-bil...

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Re: If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
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burnsred wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:10pm:
. . . from entering the United States for medical treatment, how much would that bring down U.S. health care costs? 

I'm thinking specifically of Mexicans and Canadians, but plenty of people cross oceans to get here for medical treatment also.  Anyone have statistics on how much such a ban would save?


It would probably raise costs. The elite of other countries come here to get care, because we're capitalists and through competition, our bests are better.

So people are coming in and pumping huge amounts of money into sustaining the medical business in America.

It's the same with undocumented immigrants getting it through Medicaid. The taxpayer pays, and the medical business booms.

I think it was Merky who posted a link to this effect: Americans don't seem to recognise the need for lower levels of care for the people who can't afford the best and aren't entitled to Medicaid.

I think it's become a crime to suggest that anyone should get any less than the best. Unfortunately this philosophy has helped price medicine out of the reach of normal people.
  

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Re: If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
It would probably raise costs. The elite of other countries come here to get care, because we're capitalists and through competition, our bests are better.

So people are coming in and pumping huge amounts of money into sustaining the medical business in America.

It's the same with undocumented immigrants getting it through Medicaid. The taxpayer pays, and the medical business booms.

I think it was Merky who posted a link to this effect: Americans don't seem to recognise the need for lower levels of care for the people who can't afford the best and aren't entitled to Medicaid.

I think it's become a crime to suggest that anyone should get any less than the best. Unfortunately this philosophy has helped price medicine out of the reach of normal people.
That process started decades ago when government started to both subsidize health insurance and to heavily regulate health insurance.  That guaranteed failure in the form of skyrocketing medical costs. 

Unfortunately, I don't think that Canada's two tier medical system in which poor or middle class Canadians get inferior care or die on waiting lists while wealthy or upper middle class Canadians simply come to the U.S. to be treated really helps our medical system.  I would like to know how much a Canadian with no U.S. health insurance pays for a procedure or other treatment.  A Canadian getting treatment in the U.S. for cash will know how much what they get costs, unlike insured Americans.  Also unlike insured Americans, they won't be limited to specific providers so they can shop for the best price.  Therefore what a wealthy Canadian pays for treatment should be a rough indicator of how much a treatment would be in a free market system.

The Mexicans fleeing their own universal health care system usually have no money at all for treatment so our welfare state pays for them.  That's a drain on the taxpayer and certainly doesn't help our medical system.
  
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Re: If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
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If it costs $180,000 for an appendectomy in America, how much would it cost for a bandaid on a cut finger booboo? Five grand and up?

Canadian children are denied that high level of care because their mommies just kiss it better.
  
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What's becoming most obvious as we explore the questions, is that American mommies are shirking their duty to their children

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2013/06/27/outrageous-er-hospital-charges-wh...

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The researchers found that the treatment price for a headache could range from $15 to a whopping $17,797. As for a sprained ankle, it could set someone back a paltry $4 or up to $24,110!


In both cases nothing that a bandaid and a kiss to make it better wouldn't fix!

  
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Re: If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
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Don_G wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
What's becoming most obvious as we explore the questions, is that American mommies are shirking their duty to their children

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2013/06/27/outrageous-er-hospital-charges-wh...


In both cases nothing that a bandaid and a kiss to make it better wouldn't fix!



Yeah.  Maybe that's all that UK couple needed for their teeth also.


  
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Re: If People From Countries with Universal Healthcare were Banned . . .
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burnsred wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:10pm:
. . . from entering the United States for medical treatment, how much would that bring down U.S. health care costs? 


You'll never notice. The ACA is still collapsing and Trump's recent decisions are a band aid that's been placed over an infected wound.


  
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Jeff wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 5:20pm:
You'll never notice. The ACA is still collapsing and Trump's recent decisions are a band aid that's been placed over an infected wound.


You won't get any disagreement out of burnsred for puttiing the blame on the black guy. He's got this thing with slavery that's sickin in his craw.

Stick to it and you and burns will work it out!
  
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