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Reply #20 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 2:57pm
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Thumper wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:31pm:
A lot of this depends on the state in which you live. Iowa for example is a right to work state. Meaning you can not be fired for not joining the union. But even though you're not paying dues the union s required to represent you with the same vigor as if you were a dues paying member jn good standing.

Oddly enough you would think that the unions would be against that. You would think they would not want to spend money in arbitration to represent a non member. But it's the opposite. They have done everything they can to stop that legislation from being removed.
You don't have to join the union, but you do have to pay what they call "agency fees" which generally amount to 80-90% of the dues. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld this on the theory that people would "free ride" on the benefits produced for them by the union.
The union gets to calculate how much the agency fees are. By law, they are only allowed to be what the union spends on organizing and contract negotiation and administration.
The unions lie.
A few cases have been pursued where the unions were forced to open their books to the court, and the reality proved to be that the union was only spending 15-20% of the money collected on what are called "legitimate union expenses".
Nevertheless, the unions are still allowed to calculate the amount that non-members must pay, and they always make non-members pay 80-90% of the full dues.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 7:38pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 2:57pm:
You don't have to join the union, but you do have to pay what they call "agency fees" which generally amount to 80-90% of the dues. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld this on the theory that people would "free ride" on the benefits produced for them by the union.
The union gets to calculate how much the agency fees are. By law, they are only allowed to be what the union spends on organizing and contract negotiation and administration.
The unions lie.
A few cases have been pursued where the unions were forced to open their books to the court, and the reality proved to be that the union was only spending 15-20% of the money collected on what are called "legitimate union expenses".
Nevertheless, the unions are still allowed to calculate the amount that non-members must pay, and they always make non-members pay 80-90% of the full dues.


So the courts evened the playing field a bit after bad right to work laws were enacted by bad government interference. 80 to 90% dues paid to a union that has no interest in the scab's wellfare seems like a deal.

Does that mean right to work laws have been defanged in situations where unions are present?
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 7:49pm
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So the courts evened the playing field a bit after bad right to work laws were enacted by bad government interference.
No shithead, the right to work is an element of Liberty. It exists a priori in theories of Liberty and Rights.

It was government action that restricted that Right by giving unions power over people seeking to exercise their right to work...

All libertarians seek is the removal of grants of power by government to unions. And prosecution of the guilty cronies.
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:52am
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Reply #24 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:08pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 7:49pm:
No shithead, the right to work is an element of Liberty. It exists a priori in theories of Liberty and Rights.

It was government action that restricted that Right by giving unions power over people seeking to exercise their right to work...

All libertarians seek is the removal of grants of power by government to unions. And prosecution of the guilty cronies.


Well sweet ass boy, I disagree but I'm wondering if there's any use getting into proving it. I've experienced your reaction before when you run up against proof that can destroy your theories.

So briefly, right to work laws have nothing to do with 'right to work'. They have everything to do with preventing a union to bargain a collective agreement for workers.

Your disdain for unions that you openly display should tell everybody that is your priority, not a person's right to work.
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 7:15pm
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The Supreme Court should rule that obligatory union dues violates: Constitutional Amendments because each and every person has a:
First Amendment right to decide how to spend her or his money;
Fourth Amendment right against seizure(s) of her or his money for use as due or fee(s) to a union;
Ninth Amendment right to decide whether to decide whether or not any union(s) is or are worth financially supporting or joining;
a 13th Amendment right to refuse to financially provide monetary servitude to any union(s).

And the Supreme Court must also rule that one or more union(s) of any type(s) are never allowed to lie in any court(s).
  
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Reply #26 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:07pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 7:15pm:
The Supreme Court should rule that obligatory union dues...
are sinful and tyrannical.

Both the FDA and the CPSC are unconstitutional and therefore also sinful and tyrannical.

Cronies in and out of government all like both the FDA and the CPSC.
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 6:07pm
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The Ninth Amendment specifically says: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.".  Therefore the CPSC's right to make sure products are safe to consume or use is a Constitutional right.  Billie, I don't think you'd want your children to be poisoned to death because of badly designed medicine or food or water, nor do I believe you'd want your children to die from lead in paint or from lead in toys.
  
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Reply #28 - Apr 19th, 2018 at 6:34am
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AlayneLeung wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 6:07pm:
The Ninth Amendment specifically says: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.".  Therefore the CPSC's right to make sure products are safe to consume or use is a Constitutional right.
People acting as agents of the government retain their individual rights, but individual rights do not apply to the government, which has no rights, only specific, limited grants of power. The CPSC is not an individual. 
Your construction could not be any more confused.
  
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Re: USA Fed Gov't to be sort of shrunk: FDA personnel to be in CPSC?
Reply #29 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 5:36pm
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Yeah, Amendment X overturned a portion of Amendment IX, so perhaps it's time for another Constitutional Amendment since persons from other states and other countries (and theoretically other planets) can sell products that the CPSC should totally completely examine.
  
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