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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #390 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 12:36pm
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No, I think it should largely be ignored. There's nothing good to come out of reinterpreting a thousand times over. And besides, you have no justice system anymore either.


Then if the Constitution of the United States and all Amendments of it are ignored, then what do you recommend to improve the United States government? Martial law? Anarchy? Insurrection(s) to start a second "civil" war?
  
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Reply #391 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 12:40pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 12:29pm:
Don_G....  A country is only as good as its Constitution. 

Ours is the best in the world, and that's why peoples from all over the globe risk life and limb to get here. 

They seek the liberty and freedom that our Constitution guarantees the people.

[cue music to Battle Hymn of The Republic]

The blessings of Liberty are imporrtant today as they were 240 years ago.  Admittedly, they have been watered down quite a bit, but that's because we allowed gov't too grant themselves too much power.

“As government expands, liberty contracts.” - Ronald Reagan


Your constitution 'could' be the best in the world, but that's of no importance to a people who can't agree on what it means. They're too involved in interpreting it for political gain. What's the good of your 2nd. amendment for example when it's led to the current situation.

People emigrate to many countries in the world. Your country is nowhere near the top of examples of countries accepting the most. And it's become a joke to the rest of the world because of it's selective and racist preferences.

If you think you have liberty, you're fooling yourself. Don't forget that you support the LP because of bad government.

You long ago lost the liberties that Canadians still enjoy. Americans are coming to Canada because they've had enough.

Sorry Chief, it's not my argument. It's yours and your fellow libertarians and they strengthen the argument against your country dozens of times every day.

And really. You have Trump as your president??
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #392 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 12:57pm
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If you think you have liberty, you're fooling yourself. Don't forget that you support the LP because of bad government...

Hey, I just conceded that our liberty has diminished.

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...And really. You have Trump as your president??

I blame misinformed voters for that.  A Voter Proficiency Quiz would have weeded out 55% of Trump's votes.

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You long ago lost the liberties that Canadians still enjoy. Americans are coming to Canada because they've had enough.


According to statistics from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the number of people from the US applying for permanent residency between January and March rose 3.6% from 2016 to 2017.
That doesn't exactly constitute a mass exodus, especially when looking at the raw numbers: 1,882 Americans have applied for permanent residency in Canada in 2017, just 66 more applications from the same time period in 2016.


https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/30/us/immigrating-to-canada-stats-trnd/index.html
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #393 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 12:57pm
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Don_G, my friend chip burcham and I both agree that there should be some form of multipartisan federalized education or at least multipartisan federalized expectations of good education via a Constitutional Amendment.

Yes, both Democrats and Republicans are very distrustful of each other.  That's why the Libertarian Party and other political parties such as the Green Party that does also exist in Canada:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=-Gu-Wpv4IKzUjwTmxZOYDQ&q=Green+Party+...

the Pirate Party that also does exist in Canada

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=IGy-WuHwH8jPjwTe34OwCQ&q=Pirate+Party...

the Socialism and Liberation Party & Peace and Freedom Party

the Natural Law Party

and the Light Party

and I'm sure there are other beneficial third parties that can coexist with the Libertarian Party; such third parties are necessary in the United States and elsewhere because the Democrats and Republicans have acknowledged that the United States Government is broken.
  
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Reply #394 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 1:02pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Don_G, my friend chip burcham and I both agree that there should be some form of multipartisan federalized education or at least multipartisan federalized expectations of good education via a Constitutional Amendment.

Yes, both Democrats and Republicans are very distrustful of each other.  That's why the Libertarian Party and other political parties such as the Green Party that does also exist in Canada:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=-Gu-Wpv4IKzUjwTmxZOYDQ&q=Green+Party+...

the Pirate Party that also does exist in Canada

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=IGy-WuHwH8jPjwTe34OwCQ&q=Pirate+Party...

the Socialism and Liberation Party & Peace and Freedom Party

the Natural Law Party

and the Light Party

and I'm sure there are other beneficial third parties that can coexist with the Libertarian Party; such third parties are necessary in the United States and elsewhere because the Democrats and Republicans have acknowledged that the United States Government is broken.


I just see the LP as being as batshit crazy as the rest of them. That's the reason why they have such little support. Save for the Green party and that's because they're ahead of their time.

The problems with your country aren't going to be fixed by LP changes.

Socially responsible capitalism is the way out. Something like what Bernie offered and what Trump lied about offering.

I can't help you anymore than that until you start to want to be helped.
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #395 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 1:20pm
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Don_G, totally and completely read 1.0 of PERSONAL LIBERTY located here:

https://www.lp.org/platform/

I'd say that 1.0 is a good idea to reduce killing.
  
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Reply #396 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 1:32pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
Don_G, totally and completely read 1.0 of PERSONAL LIBERTY located here:

https://www.lp.org/platform/

I'd say that 1.0 is a good idea to reduce killing.


That statement is fatally flawed right from the start.

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1.0 PERSONAL LIBERTY
Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and must accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Our support of an individual’s right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government.


Some choices libertarians make must not be approved by society. Freedom isn't everything. the current example we are talking about is 'safety' which sometimes trumps freedom.

I can't continue to talk with you if you are unable to compromise and allow you to see the problems with the LP dogma. It really doesn't have to get any more complicated than that.

I've been polite with you and have devoted a lot of time trying to explain my thinking to you. Now you're going to have to start to do your part. Expressing an understanding of how safety is as important as freedoms would be an encouraging start.  Think on it for a while.

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No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government.


That's an absolutely ridiculous statement!
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #397 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 1:37pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 30th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Hey, I just conceded that our liberty has diminished.

I blame misinformed voters for that.  A Voter Proficiency Quiz would have weeded out 55% of Trump's votes.


And 95% 0f Hillary's?
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #398 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 1:38pm
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You long ago lost the liberties that Canadians still enjoy.
Such as?
  
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Reply #399 - Mar 30th, 2018 at 1:41pm
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I don't waste time on Craig Sickler anymore. He's become a bigger joke than the forum itself.
  
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