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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #420 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:42pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:41pm:
I'm not sure what a pure Libertarian is.
An anarchist from what's been said on this forum.
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #421 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:58pm
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Actually Billie, what I meant was that I prefer sufficient regulations (but not ridiculous regulations) to prevent more evil spirits from coming into existence like the way that Evil Buu from Majin Buu depicted in a Dragonball Z episode.
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #422 - May 14th, 2018 at 7:30pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:41pm:
I'm not sure what a pure Libertarian is.

Take this quiz.  It will give you a ballpark idea of your libertarian "purity".

There are better (and much longer) tests out there, but this one has only 20 questions, and takes only a couple of minutes to complete.

https://www.cato.org/libertarianmind/libertarian-quiz



This one is MUCH more detailed and accurate  - 64 questions:

http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi

If you can score over 91, you are a libertarian in good standing.

If you score 160 (maximum possible score), you are a pure libertarian god(dess).

I scored a 143.   Smiley
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #423 - May 14th, 2018 at 10:26pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Take this quiz.  It will give you a ballpark idea of your libertarian "purity".

There are better (and much longer) tests out there, but this one has only 20 questions, and takes only a couple of minutes to complete.

https://www.cato.org/libertarianmind/libertarian-quiz



This one is MUCH more detailed and accurate  - 64 questions:

http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi

If you can score over 91, you are a libertarian in good standing.

If you score 160 (maximum possible score), you are a pure libertarian god(dess).

I scored a 143.   Smiley


I just scored a perfect 100 on the first, and a perfect 160 on the latter.

I simply put everything but the NAP out of my head, and chose what was moral every time, without consideration for anything else.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #424 - May 15th, 2018 at 12:24pm
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The Opposition wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:26pm:
I just scored a perfect 100 on the first, and a perfect 160 on the latter.


I don't doubt this is true, but a 160 on the Caplan test?

You must have not answered all of the questions honestly. To get a (perfect) score of 160, you would have needed to answer YES to question #61:

Is it morally permissible to exercise "vigilante justice," even against government leaders?

Of course, that's a trick question.  An answer to the affirmative proves one of three things;

1) you are lying

2) you blindly answered yes to all questions to get a perfect score

3) You don't really believe in the NAP and therefore are a LINO (Libertarian In Name Only).
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #425 - May 15th, 2018 at 4:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 12:24pm:
To get a (perfect) score of 160, you would have needed to answer YES to question #61:

Is it morally permissible to exercise "vigilante justice," even against government leaders?

Is that really a question? Who created the test?

More specifically, who got that question placed on the test?

Is it asking about the morality of bringing criminals to justice?

Something else?

My answer would have to be, "Probably sometimes", but I always caution not to imagine I'm an anarchist...

It was a Yes or No question? Really?
  
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Reply #426 - May 15th, 2018 at 5:25pm
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Jeff wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 4:57pm:
Is that really a question?
It really is a question.

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Who created the test?

Bryan Caplan

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More specifically, who got that question placed on the test?

Bryan Caplan

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Is it asking about the morality of bringing criminals to justice?

It's about vigilante justice against government leaders.  ANY vigilante justice violates NAP. The only justifiable aggression is self-defense.  Vigilante justice is payback or revenge.  Big difference.

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It was a Yes or No question? Really?

It really was.  Scout's honor.
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #427 - May 15th, 2018 at 5:31pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Bryan Caplan

It's about vigilante justice against government leaders.

Bryan should answer then.

Are we talking about Booth assassinating Lincoln?

Edit: In case you don't know, Lincoln led the Union to Victory in the War to End Slavery in America. That's why Booth hated him.
  
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Reply #428 - May 15th, 2018 at 5:44pm
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Jeff wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
Are we talking about Booth assassinating Lincoln?

Edit: In case you don't know, Lincoln led the Union to Victory in the War to End Slavery in America. That's why Booth hated him.

I suppose that would qualify as "vigilante justice" then. Because the assassination was revenge for something that Lincoln said or did. (ended slavery)

So, in that case was Booth morally justified in assassinating Lincoln?

A libertarian would be compelled to say NO.   Oppo said Yes.

What would you say?
  
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Re: Nobody Is 100% Libertarian
Reply #429 - May 15th, 2018 at 6:38pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
I suppose that would qualify as "vigilante justice" then. Because the assassination was revenge for something that Lincoln said or did. (ended slavery)

So, in that case was Booth morally justified in assassinating Lincoln?

A libertarian would be compelled to say NO.   Oppo said Yes.

What would you say?
Like almost all libertarians/classical liberals, I say, equally enforced justice is a necessity for civilization to exist.

Vigilante "justice" is for anarchic areas where there is no mechanism to enforce real justice.

Why would a civilized person imagine that arbitrary assassination is just?
  
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