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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 2:34pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
This is an opportunity for libertarians to practice what they preach. Do they believe what they preach about bad government and consequences such as this train wreck, or are they just Republicans at heart?

You get to go first Chief!

Ok, I'll go first.   I absolutely believe that when government gets involved in things they know little or nothing about, BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SOMETIMES DIE.

Even the government knows this!  The government will sometimes contract private-sector engineers to double-check computations made by gov't engineers.  My father was one these private-sector engineers.  I remember the horror stories he told us about government totally screwing things up.
  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Ok, I'll go first.   I absolutely believe that when government gets involved in things they know little or nothing about, BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SOMETIMES DIE.

Even the government knows this!  The government will sometimes contract private-sector engineers to double-check computations made by gov't engineers.  My father was one these private-sector engineers.  I remember the horror stories he told us about government totally screwing things up.


And much more often government will have to enact legal regulations in order to stop private businesses from wreaking havoc on a country.

Nobody knows this better than an engineer who is licensed to make decisions that can impact on people's lives and even cost lives.

As Trump deregulates, roads will become unsafe, bridges will fall down, more people will be killed in car accidents when he deregulates the mandatory wearing of seatbelts, air bags will become optional in cars. And on and on it will go until the public start asking for the regulations back.

That's the equivalent of asking for socially responsible government.

There's a very good reason why only about 5% are pseudo-libertarian wingnuts! In another country it could have likely ever been no more than 2%.
  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #12 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:24pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
...And on and on it will go until the public start asking for the regulations back.

I doubt the public will want the regulations back. Why would anyone want less freedoms?

Don_G wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
There's a very good reason why only about 5% are pseudo-libertarian wingnuts! In another country it could have likely ever been no more than 2%.

5%???  LOL.  It seems you've been misinformed.     Here's a little reality check for ya:

The Gallup Poll has a new estimate of the number of libertarians in the American electorate. In their 2015 Governance survey they find that 27% of respondents can be characterized as libertarians, the highest number it has ever found.

https://www.cato.org/blog/gallup-finds-more-libertarians-electorate
  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #13 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
there are similarities with dismantling OSHA. A safety device could have prevented this accident. The Trump government mentality would be for saving the money it would have cost to have those deviced installed on this train.
OSHA is not dismantled and this still happened.


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Nobody knows this better than an engineer who is licensed to make decisions that can impact on people's lives and even cost lives.
Right.  Praise Allah that the engineer on that train had an official government license.  Someone could have gotten hurt!

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As Trump deregulates, roads will become unsafe, bridges will fall down, more people will be killed in car accidents when he deregulates the mandatory wearing of seatbelts, air bags will become optional in cars. And on and on it will go until the public start asking for the regulations back.
You left out the plagues of locusts and the hungry wolves coming down out of the mountains.

  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #14 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm
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This was a brand new train on it's inaugural run.

If safety devices are available that prevent yahoo engineers from speeding through slow corners, and they weren't installed and working, someone is liable.

If an engineer was allowed to be alone in the control cab  and he was high on cocaine and texting his girlfriend, he is liable. But so is the person who was being paid to be helping him and obviously wasn't. Maybe he was sexting his girlfriend.

Or maybe it was anarchists.

  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
This was a brand new train on it's inaugural run.


No it wasn't, but close.

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If safety devices are available that prevent yahoo engineers from speeding through slow corners, and they weren't installed and working, someone is liable.


That's right if regulations demand the device. If it's been deregulated then there will be nobody liable.

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If an engineer was allowed to be alone in the control cab  and he was high on cocaine and texting his girlfriend, he is liable. But so is the person who was being paid to be helping him and obviously wasn't. Maybe he was sexting his girlfriend.

Or maybe it was anarchists.



Either way it's just you up to your asshole tactics to derail a conversation.

Good for you because you're making a mockery of the pseudo-libertarian bullshit that's getting in the way on this forum. We're at least working together on that asshole.
  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 7:46pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
If it's been deregulated then there will be nobody liable.
From this contention, many serious problems arise. You would abandon the common law.

Without individual responsibility, anarchy is far more likely that liberty.

Who, pray tell is liable when there are "regulations" and train wrecks happen anyway?

Can I sue the regulators?
  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #17 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 8:21pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 7:46pm:
From this contention, many serious problems arise. You would abandon the common law.

Without individual responsibility, anarchy is far more likely that liberty.

Who, pray tell is liable when there are "regulations" and train wrecks happen anyway?

Can I sue the regulators?


You're a mutt so sue your cousin who you were inbred with.
  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #18 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:08am
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Do you suppose it was a 'false flag' train wreck, and that the intention was to set things up to bankrupt private railroads so the government will have an excuse to 'nationalize' them?

http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/04/government-media-push-costly-new-safety?utm_me...
  
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Re: Another Government Train Wreck
Reply #19 - Jan 5th, 2018 at 12:32pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:08am:
Do you suppose it was a 'false flag' train wreck, and that the intention was to set things up to bankrupt private railroads so the government will have an excuse to 'nationalize' them?

http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/04/government-media-push-costly-new-safety?utm_me...


First determine if it really is costly. It's likely not and will be paid for by avoiding just one wreck.

Anyway, it was supposed to already be installed and now it's definitely costly not having it.

Socially responsible capitalism just a little too late. While the libertarian bumbles along with no idea whatsoever on what to do. So why not just allow a few more big train wrecks before deciding on safety measures?
  
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