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Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:44pm
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Let me know if you fully and unconditionally agree with this statement:

"Slavery under any circumstances, present, historical or hypothetical is always irredeemably wrong and should never be supported in any way no matter what the proposed justification.  Slavery is defined as involuntary servitude, not for the purpose of lawful punishment of a crime." 

I give a wholehearted "I agree completely" to that statement.

Anyone else?
  

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Re: Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 11:04pm
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I will state that I am 100% in favour of no POC ever being forced into involuntary servitude for ANY reason.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 11:28pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Let me know if you fully and unconditionally agree with this statement:

"Slavery under any circumstances, present, historical or hypothetical is always irredeemably wrong and should never be supported in any way no matter what the proposed justification.  Slavery is defined as involuntary servitude, not for the purpose of lawful punishment of a crime." 

I give a wholehearted "I agree completely" to that statement.

Anyone else?

i think ur ralking abought phycal slaver but there is also mentail and econic buut ur right phycaly slavery is wroung but so is comod contoll instean of comand consince
  
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Re: Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:53am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
I will state that I am 100% in favour of no POC ever being forced into involuntary servitude for ANY reason.


Interesting.

So what would be the consequences for committing crimes?


  

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Re: Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:56am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Let me know if you fully and unconditionally agree with this statement:

"Slavery under any circumstances, present, historical or hypothetical is always irredeemably wrong and should never be supported in any way no matter what the proposed justification.  Slavery is defined as involuntary servitude, not for the purpose of lawful punishment of a crime." 

I give a wholehearted "I agree completely" to that statement.

Anyone else?
Slavery as we knew it in America involved owning people as if they were livestock. It was based on an idea that the people being enslaved were less than human, or not human at all. That allowed slaves to be stripped completely of human rights.

I agree that that was and always will be irredeemably wrong.
  
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Re: Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 10:21am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:53am:
Interesting.

So what would be the consequences for committing crimes?


From what the lizard has said in the past, I think it wants to kill anyone who breaks a rule.

You could just toss them in jail, but then productive people will have to pay taxes to support them in jail, and I think you call that involuntary servitude, having to pay taxes? Of course we used to have State Penitentiaries that were self supporting, the prisoners grew food and make things to sell so they could feed themselves and pay the jailers... I'm not positive, but I think SCOTUS said making prisoners work was cruel and unusual punishment.

Restitution is good for property crimes and torts, but it's often not feasible, and anyway it involves paying someone to force the restitution.
  
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Re: Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 10:58am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:56am:
Slavery as we knew it in America involved owning people as if they were livestock. It was based on an idea that the people being enslaved were less than human, or not human at all. That allowed slaves to be stripped completely of human rights.

I agree that that was and always will be irredeemably wrong.


I agree with that statement also without reservation.

Any reason you couldn't sign off on:


"Slavery under any circumstances, present, historical or hypothetical is always irredeemably wrong and should never be supported in any way no matter what the proposed justification.  Slavery is defined as involuntary servitude, not for the purpose of lawful punishment of a crime."

What would be your objection to that, if any?

  

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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:13am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 10:58am:
I agree with that statement also without reservation.

Any reason you couldn't sign off on:


"Slavery under any circumstances, present, historical or hypothetical is always irredeemably wrong and should never be supported in any way no matter what the proposed justification.  Slavery is defined as involuntary servitude, not for the purpose of lawful punishment of a crime."

What would be your objection to that, if any?



No problem with that burnsred, except in the definition referring to lawful punishment of crime. You know my feelings on that and you have expressed agreement on rehab. being more successful.

I wonder what the purpose could be? Are you trying to define practices in the US today as something separate from anything related to slavery?

A thread declaring that we are all against equal rights would be more appropriate. You've built yourself a repuatation that makes that questionable. Fix that first with a blanket statement for everyone.

Then we could go on to affirmative action in order to right some of the wrongs.
  
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Re: Let's Solve the Slavery Issue Once and For All
Reply #8 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:21am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:56am:
Slavery as we knew it in America involved owning people as if they were livestock. It was based on an idea that the people being enslaved were less than human, or not human at all. That allowed slaves to be stripped completely of human rights.

I agree that that was and always will be irredeemably wrong.


Being pro-slavery means you believe in consent of the governed
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:27am
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kaz wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:21am:
Being pro-slavery means you believe in consent of the governed


Slavery has nothing to do with raising pork. Go away.
  
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