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Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:04pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:02pm:
I'm a vegetarian, you're not an anarchist.  But people don't consider killing animals humanely for food to be abuse.  When you go to the dictionary, the purpose is supposed to be honest about what words mean.  You go to the dictionary to manipulate words into what they don't mean


Oppo, they're all omnivores and will eat practically anything. Even mud mixed with their own shit and grain.
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 3:58pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:04pm:
Oppo, they're all omnivores and will eat practically anything. Even mud mixed with their own shit and grain.
Birds eat seeds out of horseshit and cow shit etc., and birds I think are related to Dragons.

There you are.
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Birds eat seeds out of horseshit and cow shit etc., and birds I think are related to Dragons.

There you are.


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Reply #13 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:46pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 2:02pm:
I'm a vegetarian, you're not an anarchist.  But people don't consider killing animals humanely for food to be abuse.  When you go to the dictionary, the purpose is supposed to be honest about what words mean.  You go to the dictionary to manipulate words into what they don't mean


Watch the video before you say that.

They're not killing animals for food at all.

They're transferring their sins to the chicken, making it suffer, and letting it die a slow death in a garbage bag.

I've explained this now eight times.
  

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Not taking Jeff seriously until he admits this is animal abuse (which he says should be illegal): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE-IT7_CaE4
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Reply #14 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:50pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Watch the video before you say that.

They're not killing animals for food at all.

They're transferring their sins to the chicken, making it suffer, and letting it die a slow death in a garbage bag.

I've explained this now eight times.


I've said eating animals is within our societal norms even though I'm a vegetarian, torturing animals isn't and is rightly illegal.  What about that didn't you understand?

In this country the only people who support any torture of animals by that definition is an anarchist.

I keep trying to get you to back up your shit for small government libertarians, who are the main denizens of this board.  And you keep going back to arguing with anarchists who aren't.  There are a couple of them who occasionally post.  They aren't any more for liberty than socialists are
  

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Reply #15 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:54pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
I've said eating animals is within our societal norms even though I'm a vegetarian, torturing animals isn't and is rightly illegal.  What about that didn't you understand?

In this country the only people who support any torture of animals by that definition is an anarchist.

I keep trying to get you to back up your shit for small government libertarians, who are the main denizens of this board.  And you keep going back to arguing with anarchists who aren't.  There are a couple of them who occasionally post.  They aren't any more for liberty than socialists are


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Reply #16 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:19pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
I've said eating animals is within our societal norms even though I'm a vegetarian, torturing animals isn't and is rightly illegal.  What about that didn't you understand?

In this country the only people who support any torture of animals by that definition is an anarchist.

I keep trying to get you to back up your shit for small government libertarians, who are the main denizens of this board.  And you keep going back to arguing with anarchists who aren't.  There are a couple of them who occasionally post.  They aren't any more for liberty than socialists are


I repeatedly give you quotes and you ignore them. Jeff is a small government libertarian. Merklestan is a small government libertarian. There people think it's not wrong for religious people to torture animals and it is wrong for me to do the same. I keep proving how you want rights rights rights, piled up to the sky, so you can crush everybody else underneath them.

Every time I give you a quote, you tell me how their opinion doesn't count. Tell me why yours does, then. If you get to dismiss every poster on this board wholesale, as well as info taken directly from lp.org, why is your word so golden?

Go back to the OP. The same act is wrong for me and not for a religious person. That's libertarian bullshit. Nobody else on the planet could be so full of themselves. Everyone else at least pretends to want equality.
  

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Reply #17 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:43pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
I repeatedly give you quotes and you ignore them. Jeff is a small government libertarian


He supports redistribution of wealth and is unconcerned with consent of the governed, so not hardly.  Though I agree he has some libertarian principles.  What did he say you're pointing to when he was sober?

The Opposition wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
Merklestan is a small government libertarian


WTF?  He's a socialist and a Democrat.  What are you sniffing?

The Opposition wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
There people think it's not wrong for religious people to torture animals and it is wrong for me to do the same. I keep proving how you want rights rights rights, piled up to the sky, so you can crush everybody else underneath them.

Every time I give you a quote, you tell me how their opinion doesn't count. Tell me why yours does, then. If you get to dismiss every poster on this board wholesale, as well as info taken directly from lp.org, why is your word so golden?


Note you can't point to any contradiction I have and you kept accusing me of contradictions.  As for the rest, the only examples I've seen from you are regarding anarchists.  You keep telling me how you provided examples of small government libertarians, you continually can't provide them to me.

The Opposition wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
Go back to the OP. The same act is wrong for me and not for a religious person. That's libertarian bullshit. Nobody else on the planet could be so full of themselves. Everyone else at least pretends to want equality.


I've explained it to you.  Libertarians believe everyone has the right to do what they want to do as long as they don't infringe on the right of others to do the same.  We are keenly aware of the risk of not being consistent in that standard.  Libertarians are far more consistent on that than any other ideology I've ever discussed political issues with.  Republicans and Democrats are flagrantly hypocritical.

Animals involve complications because they aren't people but they feel pain.  It's not an accident you're going to that to obscure the points. 
  

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Reply #18 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:48pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 23rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:



You said to go back to the OP.

1)  Jeff said religious people generally support animals as food.  You changed what he said to include some sort of bizarre religious ceremonies.  He didn't say that, you did.  I don't know small government libertarians who don't consider that a crime.  Anarchists obviously don't have a problem with it

2)  You're the one who said in libertarianism the religious have more rights.  No idea what you're talking about

3)  You don't say anything here about small government libertarians

What were you expecting me to see here?
  

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Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 11:34pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
You said to go back to the OP.

1)  Jeff said religious people generally support animals as food.  You changed what he said to include some sort of bizarre religious ceremonies.  He didn't say that, you did.  I don't know small government libertarians who don't consider that a crime.  Anarchists obviously don't have a problem with it

2)  You're the one who said in libertarianism the religious have more rights.  No idea what you're talking about


This:

Jeff wrote on Dec 23rd, 2017 at 7:52am:
Slaughtering animals for food according to religious prescripts is not animal abuse.
Slaughtering animals in the same way for fun would be.

Too subtle for you?


The same act, done by an atheist, is wrong, when for a religious person it is not wrong.

Jeff has said animal abuse should be illegal when an atheist does it. He condones the same act when done for religious reasons.

If more libertarians will call him crazy and denounce that view, then I concede the point. Right now, however, it looks like the lot of you are sort of passively standing there laughing under your breaths while he bombs the &^%$ out of the rights of the non-religious.
  

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