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Libertarian New Year's Resolution: "Exercise" Your Rights!
Dec 28th, 2017 at 11:51pm
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Rights are like muscles; exercise them and they get stronger, don't exercise them and they get weaker.

So, for your New Year's resolutions:

Speak freely (which includes photographing in public), bear arms, refuse to quarter soldiers, refuse warrantless searches (including demands for ID "real quick"), avoid testifying against yourself (remember the phrase, 'I don't answer questions'), insist on due process, and hold the government to its enumerated powers.

THAT is how we celebrate freedom in the new year.  We have that freedom.  The battle is over.  The battle's been won.  We have our freedom.  We have our rights.  We need only exercise them to keep them strong.

Fail to exercise them and they will weaken.

Don't trade freedom for safety, fellow libertarians.  You're better than that . . .

 
  

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Reply #1 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 12:42pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 11:51pm:
Rights are like muscles; exercise them and they get stronger, don't exercise them and they get weaker.

So, for your New Year's resolutions:

Speak freely (which includes photographing in public), bear arms, refuse to quarter soldiers, refuse warrantless searches (including demands for ID "real quick"), avoid testifying against yourself (remember the phrase, 'I don't answer questions'), insist on due process, and hold the government to its enumerated powers.

THAT is how we celebrate freedom in the new year.  We have that freedom.  The battle is over.  The battle's been won.  We have our freedom.  We have our rights.  We need only exercise them to keep them strong.

Fail to exercise them and they will weaken.

Don't trade freedom for safety, fellow libertarians.  You're better than that . . .

 


It seems that you haven't won your freedom yet if you have to be continually demonstrating against those who are attempting to take your freedom away.

If people follow your advice then they are going to be getting themselves in lots of trouble. Especially with the police who are likely to taser you or smack you down with a club they carry.

The only way to gain back your freedom is to attack the root causes that have taken those freedoms from you.

You'll continue to bitch and complain about losing those freedoms and that will allow us to identify them. And I will continue to make suggestions to you on how to gain them back.

Lesson one for libertarians in the new year could be that they have to refrain from demanding rights and freedoms that infringe on the rights of society in general. Some rights and freedoms can't be granted.

To begin with, I would suggest you come to terms with 'union' rights.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 12:53pm
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It seems that you haven't won your freedom yet if you have to be continually demonstrating against those who are attempting to take your freedom away


That's the whole point of it, comrade.  People always are after our freedom, you can never stop being vigilant.  When you do, you end up with people like Chuckie Cheese Shroomer and Nancy Dingbat Pelosi and Hussein Obama as your leaders
  

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kaz wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 12:53pm:
That's the whole point of it, comrade.  People always are after our freedom, you can never stop being vigilant.  When you do, you end up with people like Chuckie Cheese Shroomer and Nancy Dingbat Pelosi and Hussein Obama as your leaders


Thank you for your rational thoughts for a change. I'm just warning burnsred and others that they are not mainstream and they will wield no power against the establishment. They'll be smacked down if they follow burnsred's advice.

Neither you or burnsred have any idea of what it means to work on the problem at it's roots.

The cause is corrupt capitalism of course and it's the reason why you have lost your rights and freedoms and why any lame attempts to gain them back will likely end in violence against 'you'.

IN the new year I'm going to concentrate more on telling you how you can win some ground back from the establishment. Doing that will prepare you all for the coming 'saviour' who is going to be in the form of another Bernie.

Socialism is going to be visited on America in a very big way and very soon. Trump is what we could call the political anti-christ and he is going to be responsible for bringing on the 'political rapture' of America.
  
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Thank you for your rational thoughts for a change. I'm just warning burnsred and others that they are not mainstream and they will wield no power against the establishment. They'll be smacked down if they follow burnsred's advice.

Neither you or burnsred have any idea of what it means to work on the problem at it's roots.

The cause is corrupt capitalism of course and it's the reason why you have lost your rights and freedoms and why any lame attempts to gain them back will likely end in violence against 'you'.

IN the new year I'm going to concentrate more on telling you how you can win some ground back from the establishment. Doing that will prepare you all for the coming 'saviour' who is going to be in the form of another Bernie.

Socialism is going to be visited on America in a very big way and very soon. Trump is what we could call the political anti-christ and he is going to be responsible for bringing on the 'political rapture' of America.


Just because you suck up to Democrats doesn't mean you have any more say than we do.  You're just worshiping the PTB, but whether you do or not changes nothing
  

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kaz wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 12:53pm:
People always are after our freedom, you can never stop being vigilant.


The only people after my freedom are libertarians. (The people you call anarchists.)

The State gives me more than enough freedom. I lose additional freedom because of the rights of people who want much more than the State gives.

The NAP forbids much more than the State does. For example, as Skychief points out, I am free, under the State, to report a constantly barking dog and get it taken away if it doesn't stop. Under the NAP, this same act is aggressing against the property rights of another - initiating force to remove property.

I don't really care if the State takes away my right to hate speech. I would prefer to have the right to say whatever I think, and I consider it intellectual castration to cut off conversations just because someone has said (rather than done) something wrong, because those conversations might still discover truth, but if the right goes, then it goes. At least it goes for everyone. Even if minorities are favoured, I'm still equal to the next white guy. He can no more hate speak than I can. That's much more equality than the State has to give; they choose to grant it, and I'm grateful beyond words.

I'm not really interested in rights. I'm interested in equality. Rights piss me off because they give those with rights special privileges over those without: Some people can make noise, and some cannot: Every situation is different and it's dependent on cultural norms.

I'm not saying libertarianism is wrong. Libertarianism is right. It just happens to take from me without giving anything back: Pure disadvantage.

But since libertarianism is right, my New Year's Resolution is to always respect the NAP, no matter how much freedom I lose.

I will never report a barking dog. I will respect property rights. I will never take anyone to court for stealing my ideas. I will never steal anyone else's ideas. I won't so much as hum a tune to myself which I do not own.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
The only people after my freedom are libertarians. (The people you call anarchists.)


Yeah, right.  The State is no threat to your freedom
  

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It seems that you haven't won your freedom yet if you have to be continually demonstrating against those who are attempting to take your freedom away.


Key word is "attempting."


  

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If people follow your advice then they are going to be getting themselves in lots of trouble. Especially with the police who are likely to taser you or smack you down with a club they carry.



I take it you would have given the same advice to followers of MLK?

  

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Reply #9 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 3:21pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
The only people after my freedom are libertarians. (The people you call anarchists.)

The State gives me more than enough freedom. I lose additional freedom because of the rights of people who want much more than the State gives.

The NAP forbids much more than the State does. For example, as Skychief points out, I am free, under the State, to report a constantly barking dog and get it taken away if it doesn't stop. Under the NAP, this same act is aggressing against the property rights of another - initiating force to remove property.


That freedom you describe to have a barking dog taken away, is not a right, but a power.  The power that the nanny state grants to its favored tattletales. 

What you may not realize is that it is just as easy, if not easier, to become a victim of the tattletale/nanny state alliance as it is to gain power from it. 
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I don't really care if the State takes away my right to hate speech. I would prefer to have the right to say whatever I think, and I consider it intellectual castration to cut off conversations just because someone has said (rather than done) something wrong, because those conversations might still discover truth, but if the right goes, then it goes. At least it goes for everyone. Even if minorities are favoured, I'm still equal to the next white guy. He can no more hate speak than I can. That's much more equality than the State has to give; they choose to grant it, and I'm grateful beyond words.


That is fine as long as hate speech is defined the way you wish it to be.  Many of the people who support banning hate speech would be happy to include arguing against welfare, affirmative action or open borders as "hateful" and to be banned.  There are certainly people who believe that a pro-Trump bumper sticker is hate speech.





  

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