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Reply #20 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:03pm
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Desiderius wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 12:47pm:
How would you describe "real libertarianism"?


Good question! I would start by subtracting the impossible and irrational and then work with that which remains. If you keep that in mind at all times then you will be starting out correctly.

You have probably already experienced a lot of hate being expressed by one of our members. It was directed at other countries named, but it's not the only hate expressed by that member. It's also expressed in his signature that's included in every post.

A libertarian doesn't need to hate other countries. He/she can express a feeling of sympathy and compassion for those country's people and perhaps suggest ways of changing them that doesn't include slaughtering their people.

A pseudo-libertarian will usually lean toward getting on with the bombing and you will see that amply demonstrated here on this forum.

You're going to have to make your own choices on who to believe. Let it say something good about your personality for a start!
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:08pm
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Good question! I would start by subtracting the impossible and irrational and then work with that which remains. If you keep that in mind at all times then you will be starting out correctly.

You have probably already experienced a lot of hate being expressed by one of our members. It was directed at other countries named, but it's not the only hate expressed by that member. It's also expressed in his signature that's included in every post.

A libertarian doesn't need to hate other countries. He/she can express a feeling of sympathy and compassion for those country's people and perhaps suggest ways of changing them that doesn't include slaughtering their people.

A pseudo-libertarian will usually lean toward getting on with the bombing and you will see that amply demonstrated here on this forum.

You're going to have to make your own choices on who to believe. Let it say something good about your personality for a start!


That's what you know about libertarianism?  You're a long time poster, a short time reader.  And how many posts have you written on this board?

A libertarian wants to maximize liberty by minimizing government.  Note I said minimize, not eliminate.

Government is the worst solution to any problem.  So when is the worst solution the best solution?  When it's the only solution.  There can be only one military, one police department in a jurisdiction.  We need one set of roads, an arbiter of property rights and recognition of those rights, management of limited resources, that sort of thing.

Government should provide only those tasks, particularly the Federal government.  And that's all that's in the Constitution.  General welfare means the welfare of the general public.  You cannot redistribute wealth and act in the general interest, that's the specific interest as there are winners and losers.  Things like national parks and roads open to all are general welfare
  

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Reply #22 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:15pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:08pm:
That's what you know about libertarianism?  You're a long time poster, a short time reader.  And how many posts have you written on this board?

A libertarian wants to maximize liberty by minimizing government.  Note I said minimize, not eliminate.

Government is the worst solution to any problem.  So when is the worst solution the best solution?  When it's the only solution.  There can be only one military, one police department in a jurisdiction.  We need one set of roads, an arbiter of property rights and recognition of those rights, management of limited resources, that sort of thing.

Government should provide only those tasks, particularly the Federal government.  And that's all that's in the Constitution.  General welfare means the welfare of the general public.  You cannot redistribute wealth and act in the general interest, that's the specific interest as there are winners and losers.  Things like national parks and roads open to all are general welfare


I'm sorry my dear kaz but I can't join you any longer in your horribly depressed mood. I'm intent on finishing off the year in an upbeat mood and with hopes for libertarianism in the new year. So happy new year to you and your litter mates from Canada.
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:16pm
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I'm sorry my dear kaz but I can't join you any longer in your horribly depressed mood. I'm intent on finishing off the year in an upbeat mood and with hopes for libertarianism in the new year. So happy new year to you and your litter mates from Canada.


Thanks for your concern over my feelings, gay boy.  But I'm good.  And wow, you suck at reading people.  You're going to have to work harder if you want to be a chick
  

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Reply #24 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:32pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:16pm:
Thanks for your concern over my feelings, gay boy.  But I'm good.  And wow, you suck at reading people.  You're going to have to work harder if you want to be a chick

What do you mean "if you want to be a chick"
  
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Reply #25 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:43pm
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Desiderius wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
What do you mean "if you want to be a chick"


I said that to Don, not you.  He was telling me how I feel.  I'm comparing wanting to talk about emotions to being a chick.  Guys as a generalization want to talk about feelings less then women as a generalization do
  

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Re: At Least All Libertarians Can Agree on Gay Marriage, Right?
Reply #26 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:52pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 10:16am:
So you're a "libertarian" who thinks government should not treat all it's citizens the same.  Everyone should pay lower taxes, not just people who screw and get paper saying they screw.  That's how government controls you.  They give you one perk then screw you over 10 times in return
What I said was I favor Constitutional taxation, where the requirement that direct taxes, such as those laid on wages and salaries, must be apportioned. Apportioned taxes are about as equal in treatment as it's possible to get.

As to the rest, indirect taxes must be uniform, which eliminates the possibility of giving married people or people with children any sort of special favors.

I must say again, being allowed to keep the money you earn is not a "government perk".
  
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Reply #27 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:54pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 10:16am:
It's useful if you're a socialist who loves government power and wants to discriminate between citizens, sure.
Neither registering your deed nor registering your marriage does anything other than perhaps make your life easier in the future.
  
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Reply #28 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:59pm
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Desiderius wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
What do you mean "if you want to be a chick"


Move on now and express some of your own ideas on libertarianism. Don't feel like you're not qualified because if you look at what qualifies many of the people on this board you will see that there is nothing in particular with some of them.

So what do you want out of libertarianism. It's very easy to start with your bitches and complaints so get that out for a start.

Then I would suggest that you move on to suggesting some solutions that libertarianism can actually find answers.

I think I should tell you that we've had a lot of new members who have turned out to be imposters created by one particular member. He/she has the ability to fool the forum owner into thinking he/she is different people when in fact it's the same person.

I say that because I think it's necessary for you to express your original ideas on libertarianism in order for us to be able to determine if you are genuine. So far you have only asked questions and have offered nothing of your own thinking.

I like to give new people the benefit of the doubt but I hope you can appreciate the problem we have on this forum with spam by some phonies.
  
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Re: At Least All Libertarians Can Agree on Gay Marriage, Right?
Reply #29 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:04pm
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Desiderius wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
What do you mean "if you want to be a chick"
Libertarians believe that cross dressing and gender reassignment surgery are decisions that are solely the responsibility of adult individuals (For themselves. I for one take issue with allowing even parents to surgically alter their children in that way) we just don't want to have to pay for your clothes or your surgery.
  
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