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Reply #30 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:16pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:54pm:
Neither registering your deed nor registering your marriage does anything other than perhaps make your life easier in the future.


And gives you tax breaks.

Why should paper give you a break from death and gift taxes but not other people?

Why should paper change the benefits you get on the job, but not other people?

Why should paper change the welfare benefits (e.g., Social Security) you get from government?

Again, you're falling for the basic trap of how government screws us.  You discriminate against your own citizens.  No one wants to pay welfare, they want to collect it.  No one wants to pay taxes, they want lower taxes than other people.

They want to hook you, and hook you they did.  All citizens should be treated the same by government
  

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Reply #31 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:23pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:16pm:
And gives you tax breaks.

Why should paper give you a break from death and gift taxes but not other people?

Why should paper change the benefits you get on the job, but not other people?

Why should paper change the welfare benefits (e.g., Social Security) you get from government?

Again, you're falling for the basic trap of how government screws us.  You discriminate against your own citizens.  No one wants to pay welfare, they want to collect it.  No one wants to pay taxes, they want lower taxes than other people.

They want to hook you, and hook you they did.  All citizens should be treated the same by government


Jeff is right Kaz and everybody needs to come to that realization sooner or later.

It's more than just wanting lower taxes; it's about considering the necessity of taxes.

You don't seem to want to allow us to teach you to get over that first hurdle and join the rest of us in going forward to understanding real libertarianism.

Please consider dispensing with your hating. It's preventing you from understanding how to 'progress'.
  
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Reply #32 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:24pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:23pm:
Jeff is right Kaz and everybody needs to come to that realization sooner or later.

It's more than just wanting lower taxes; it's about considering the necessity of taxes.

You don't seem to want to allow us to teach you to get over that first hurdle and join the rest of us in going forward to understanding real libertarianism.

Please consider dispensing with your hating. It's preventing you from understanding how to 'progress'.


Yes, real libertarians are socialists.  You mentioned that
  

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Reply #33 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:28pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:16pm:
And gives you tax breaks.

It is tax law that creates exemptions.

Registering your marriage at the local courthouse might prove useful to you later, just like registering your deed might save you lots of headaches later, but that's all.

If Congress decides to grant exemptions to otherwise legal taxes, they are operating outside the Constitutional limits on the taxing power. In fact, a tax on wages and salaries that is not apportioned is illegal, but "progressives" insist it is necessary, so they mis-read the Constitution in order to levy one anyway.

Don't blame me because I registered my marriage.
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:31pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:24pm:
Yes, real libertarians are socialists.  You mentioned that


Jeff's right kaz. You really must come to accept the basics before you can begin to understand libertarianism at all!
  
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Reply #35 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:33pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:16pm:
All citizens should be treated the same by government
When it comes to Direct taxation, apportionment is equal treatment of everyone, even non-citizens.

When it comes to taxation of incomes, taxing all incomes uniformly is equal treatment of all people who have incomes.

  
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Reply #36 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:38pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:33pm:
When it comes to Direct taxation, apportionment is equal treatment of everyone, even non-citizens.

When it comes to taxation of incomes, taxing all incomes uniformly is equal treatment of all people who have incomes.



Equal as in a % of a person's income, with deductions and exemptions where applicable.

Otherwise sweet Jeff, i think I'm falling in love again!
  
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Reply #37 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:28pm:
Registering your marriage at the local courthouse might prove useful to you later, just like registering your deed might save you lots of headaches later, but that's all


It's not like registering your deed.  Registering your deed means that you are protecting your property rights from other citizens.

There is no reason to register your marriage for any reason other than that which was created by government.  Again, if you and your honey want to have a contract between you in place, then that's what you can work with a lawyer to accomplish.

But if government treats all citizens the same, then there is nothing to register with the government for.  Registering with the government just registers for the myriad of ways government discriminates between citizens.  Another libertarian concept you don't hold, wanting government to treat all citizens the same
  

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Reply #38 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:59pm
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Don_G wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:31pm:
Jeff's right kaz. You really must come to accept the basics before you can begin to understand libertarianism at all!


See, this is what makes me tired of all this, when you keep taking dumps in every discussion.

When you keep making yourself look stupid, it amuses me to laugh at you
  

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Reply #39 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 3:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:33pm:
When it comes to Direct taxation, apportionment is equal treatment of everyone, even non-citizens.

When it comes to taxation of incomes, taxing all incomes uniformly is equal treatment of all people who have incomes.



You just admitted it isn't treating all citizens the same, LOL
  

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