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Reply #40 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:34pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:58pm:
It's not like registering your deed.  Registering your deed means that you are protecting your property rights from other citizens.

Registering your marriage will protect property rights in the case of a divorce, which involves two citizens who might not be in agreement on who actually owns the property.

My registered deed makes it easy for me to have squatters removed from my property. Yes, sure, squatters might be citizens too, what's that to me?
  
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Reply #41 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:34pm:
Registering your marriage will protect property rights in the case of a divorce, which involves two citizens who might not be in agreement on who actually owns the property


How is it easier to prove what you have in court if the marriage is sanctified by government?  I'm happily divorced.  I married for life and we had two great kids.  Unfortunately she never mentioned when we got married she'd never, ever stop riding my ass.  Now I'm in my 50s and I finally have peace.  I left just over two years ago and had to be separated for a year.  That year of not being nagged proved to me I was right to leave, not wrong.

But we went into court and had to prove everything we owned and earned.  Having a piece of paper saying we had "registered" our marriage meant nothing over having our own contract determined by us, not politicians

Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:34pm:
My registered deed makes it easy for me to have squatters removed from my property. Yes, sure, squatters might be citizens too, what's that to me?


I agreed on the deed.  Government is defending property rights with other citizens.  With marriage, there is nothing like that.  The paper just says you're government's bitch and they can use it to jerk you around
  

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Reply #42 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:52pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:46pm:
How is it easier to prove what you have in court if the marriage is sanctified by government?

Sanctified panctified... Only God can sanctify marriage.

Registering your marriage gives both partners certain property rights. If you don't like the customary agreed upon division of property in a divorce, make up a contract and have both of you sign it in the presence of notaries, so it will hold up in court.

Or not. Just live together. Your decision, not mine.
  
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Reply #43 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 5:05pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:52pm:
Sanctified panctified... Only God can sanctify marriage.

Registering your marriage gives both partners certain property rights


Like what? 

Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:52pm:
If you don't like the customary agreed upon division of property in a divorce, make up a contract and have both of you sign it in the presence of notaries, so it will hold up in court


And why do you need government to do that for you in the first place?  Aren't we too dependent on government making those choices?

Jeff wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 4:52pm:
Or not. Just live together. Your decision, not mine.


Or just get married by a church, not the government
  

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Reply #44 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 5:11pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 5:05pm:
Aren't we too dependent on government making those choices?


The choice is up to you. Do what you want to. Get married by the Pope or my Cousin. Register the marriage in the courthouse if you want to. Live together if you want to.

Nobody is forcing you to be tyrannized by registering your marriage or even to register it... Deal with property rights during a divorce or breakup however you want to. Good luck and love for all your days together.

If you think you need a law to keep you married, don't do it.
  
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Reply #45 - Dec 31st, 2017 at 6:10pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 10:16am:
So you're a "libertarian" who thinks government should not treat all it's citizens the same.  Everyone should pay lower taxes, not just people who screw and get paper saying they screw.  That's how government controls you.  They give you one perk then screw you over 10 times in return


It might be useful to ask him if straight, barren females should get the perk when they marry. Based on his reasoning, they shouldn't.

Based on how he answers you can see for yourself if he even has any reasoning or if he just believes in inequality fundamentally.
  

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Reply #46 - Jan 1st, 2018 at 6:52am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 6:10pm:
It might be useful to ask him if straight, barren females should get the perk when they marry. Based on his reasoning, they shouldn't.

Based on how he answers you can see for yourself if he even has any reasoning or if he just believes in inequality fundamentally.
Based On what I've said, I believe tax exemptions are illegal.
  
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Reply #47 - Jan 1st, 2018 at 6:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 1st, 2018 at 6:52am:
Based On what I've said, I believe tax exemptions are illegal.


So do you, or do you not, think married people should get tax breaks?

kaz wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I said that to Don, not you.  He was telling me how I feel.  I'm comparing wanting to talk about emotions to being a chick.  Guys as a generalization want to talk about feelings less then women as a generalization do


Generally yes. However there are exceptions.

Leftists are encouraged by their culture to share their feelings. I don't think it's really wrong, but it can be destructive if people are too sharky and just exploit it. I think this is why males generally don't share feelings; we're hypercompetitive and we expect the other guy to go for the blood in the water, so we refrain from bleeding.

Supergeniuses like me tend to be "sensitive" because all areas of the brain are on overdrive, including the ones traditionally associated with the opposite sex. Female supergeniuses sometimes tend to be more dominant and engineering-minded, things associated more with males. Sometimes they're even hypersexual.
  

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Reply #48 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 7:52am
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 1st, 2018 at 6:27pm:
So do you, or do you not, think married people should get tax breaks?


I think there are actually tax penalties for being married, but no, I don't think  taxes should be anything other than either apportioned or uniform.
  
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Re: At Least All Libertarians Can Agree on Gay Marriage, Right?
Reply #49 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 11:48am
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I agree that the government should get out of social engineering marriage and thus their should be no difference how the government treats any marriage.   Until then, gay marriage should be treated the same by the government as straight marriage.
  
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