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Gambling is Legal in the Houston Area!
Jan 2nd, 2018 at 10:36pm
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De facto legal anyway.  At least in one of the many incorporated suburbs of Houston which are in Harris County but have their own police force.

I found this out when I went into a pool hall in my little "city."  They had three poker tables set up, just like in Louisiana where the "indians" are allowed to run casinos.  Not in a back room, but in one of the corners very visible to the public.  I asked, "Um, do the police know about this?"  They said that they just sell the chips, deal the cards and take their cut of the pots.  If police come, the most they usually do is check ID's to make sure no under-aged folks are gambling.  Sometimes they say, "you'll have to stop the game after this hand" but they never arrest anyone.   

I guess Harris county outside of Houston is like Mexico - if you don't have enough freedom, you can always buy a little more.   I love it, but I long for the time when we don't have to pay the men with guns to leave us alone with our vices.  i don't even like to gamble, because I believe in making my luck through hard work.  But I sure love freedom . . .




  

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Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2018 at 10:49pm
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Places with legalised gambling have a lot of vagrants and a lot of crime. In dense populations, people who can't control themselves and lose everything find it all too easy to turn to others, whether those others are willing or not.

While I concede that only legalised gambling is moral, I feel like where I live is the perfect practical balance. Up in the mountains rests a gambling town anyone can go to if they like. The bus to it costs $60, so no one can gamble away their last $60 or put that $10 you gave them for a meal straight into the slots.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 7:08am
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 10:49pm:
Places with legalised gambling have a lot of vagrants and a lot of crime. In dense populations, people who can't control themselves and lose everything find it all too easy to turn to others, whether those others are willing or not.

While I concede that only legalised gambling is moral, I feel like where I live is the perfect practical balance. Up in the mountains rests a gambling town anyone can go to if they like. The bus to it costs $60, so no one can gamble away their last $60 or put that $10 you gave them for a meal straight into the slots.
Where I live, people without much money play the state lottery which makes tickets available almost everywhere. The odds are really bad.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 10:39am
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 10:49pm:
Places with legalised gambling have a lot of vagrants and a lot of crime. In dense populations, people who can't control themselves and lose everything find it all too easy to turn to others, whether those others are willing or not.

While I concede that only legalised gambling is moral, I feel like where I live is the perfect practical balance. Up in the mountains rests a gambling town anyone can go to if they like. The bus to it costs $60, so no one can gamble away their last $60 or put that $10 you gave them for a meal straight into the slots.


The problem with that argument is that you could make it to support almost any law that bans a specified freedom.  You could say, "We we let anyone say anything they want to, people will be offended by some of that speech.  We shouldn't let people bear arms because some people might be frightened by the sight of an openly carried gun.  If people can refuse to quarter soldiers, our brave troops will have to sleep outside, even in a hurricane!"

How about, "ban gay sex because of the AIDS epidemic?"  That's a lot worse than gambling problems. 

Of course the other problem with banning vices is that such laws are so easily gotten around.  Police have no great desire to enforce those laws and are easily influenced to apply their efforts to other areas of law enforcement.  I would guess that near your little town in the mountains, there are plenty of nominally illegal poker and craps games for those who wish to spend their  (or my) hard earned money trying to get rich quick.  If not, that state likely has a lottery on which, as Jeff points out, the poor can always spend their diaper and formula money.

  

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Re: Gambling is Legal in the Houston Area!
Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 12:23pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 10:39am:
The problem with that argument is that you could make it to support almost any law that bans a specified freedom.  You could say, "We we let anyone say anything they want to, people will be offended by some of that speech.  We shouldn't let people bear arms because some people might be frightened by the sight of an openly carried gun.  If people can refuse to quarter soldiers, our brave troops will have to sleep outside, even in a hurricane!"

How about, "ban gay sex because of the AIDS epidemic?"  That's a lot worse than gambling problems. 

Of course the other problem with banning vices is that such laws are so easily gotten around.  Police have no great desire to enforce those laws and are easily influenced to apply their efforts to other areas of law enforcement.  I would guess that near your little town in the mountains, there are plenty of nominally illegal poker and craps games for those who wish to spend their  (or my) hard earned money trying to get rich quick.  If not, that state likely has a lottery on which, as Jeff points out, the poor can always spend their diaper and formula money.



Police in your country are too busy with other crimes and corruption and so have to gradually ignore more minor crime and corruption.

Encouraging gambling for some sort of erroneous sense of freedom is the opposite of being socially responsible.

You've no doubt noticed that most of those who have responded to taking your bait have expressed that in slightly different words.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 3:01pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 10:39am:
The problem with that argument is that


I didn't make an argument. I don't support banning gambling. I just said that I lived better because gambling is illegal here. Places where gambling is legal have crime because people can't control themselves. That's another fact but it doesn't invalidate any of what you said. I agree with everything you said. Gambling should not be banned anywhere. You're absolutely right that if it was an argument, it could be used against anything. But it wasn't.

It was a practical statement of fact, but I might also state that government theft for the purposes of the justice system makes my life better too. Doesn't make it right. What's right is all that matters.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 4:27pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 3:01pm:
I don't support banning gambling. I just said that I lived better because gambling is illegal here. Places where gambling is legal have crime because people can't control themselves.
Ha ha.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 5:02pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 2nd, 2018 at 10:49pm:
Places with legalised gambling have a lot of vagrants and a lot of crime. In dense populations, people who can't control themselves and lose everything find it all too easy to turn to others, whether those others are willing or not.
Do you actually have evidence of this or is just like your opinion man?
  
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Re: Gambling is Legal in the Houston Area!
Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 5:06pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 5:02pm:
Do you actually have evidence of this or is just like your opinion man?
Maybe he lives in a city where that's what's going on...

Let's try to guess his city...

Moscow. And he's accurately describing it.

If whoever he works for figures out he's satirizing them, they'll probably kill him.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2018 at 11:54pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 5:02pm:
Do you actually have evidence of this or is just like your opinion man?


I've literally seen it happen. I used to live close to an Indian casino and everyone knew (and I have personally seen) people get mugged near the area.

I've also read reports of arrests there where the suspects basically admitted they needed money to gamble with. One person said they had lost all their money and needed more for food, but I knew it wasn't going toward food.

Again, it doesn't matter, because force is immoral. Forcing people not to gamble is immoral.

But some people absolutely do have this weird switch in their brain that makes them gamble until they have nothing, then steal, then go gamble some more.
  

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