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Reply #190 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 12:34pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Then why do leftists like you advocate the completely useless Paris Treaty regarding carbon levels and oppose the solutions that would make a difference like nuclear power and replacing coal power plants with natural gas?

What leftists advocate are policies that economically punish the West while doing virtually nothing about carbon emissions.  Your true objective is crystal clear


And another reason why I don't debate issues with the pig. A very simple rebuttal can be given for that nonsense to anyone who even tried to be honest.

But not with the pig. It just wants to dig it's hole deeper in the mud and pigshit.
  
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Reply #191 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 12:37pm
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Don_G wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 12:34pm:
And another reason why I don't debate issues with the pig. A very simple rebuttal can be given for that nonsense to anyone who even tried to be honest.

But not with the pig. It just wants to dig it's hole deeper in the mud and pigshit.


You don't debate me because you're about a quarter as smart as I am.

Take this.  The Paris Treaty does almost zero for the environment.  It actually increases carbon until 2030 then has only faint objectives.

What about that didn't you understand, Downs Baby?
  

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Reply #192 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 1:42pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 10:04am:
Well, since Oppression successfully summarized the arguments I was making, clearly I did make those points.

You said 'the people" share in corporate profits.

No matter how the lizard tries to rationalize and confuse it, it's still an absurd statement that is factually wrong.
  
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Reply #193 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 2:06pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 1:42pm:
You said 'the people" share in corporate profits.

No matter how the lizard tries to rationalize and confuse it, it's still an absurd statement that is factually wrong.


He clearly explained he was referring to lower prices, not that they receive dividends from the company.  Only a clueless, obstinate dolt would claim otherwise.

Note my point that I won't do research for you.  You can go back in the thread and read his post now that you've presumably sobered up from yesterday and haven't started drinking yet.

But you cling hysterically to your strawman when you could just go back and read it and won't
  

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Reply #194 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 2:33pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 2:06pm:
He clearly explained he was referring to lower prices, not that they receive dividends from the company.
Yes, and now you agree with the lizard that you were wrong to say "the people" share in corporate profits.

Why you want to make such a hash of everything every time you're wrong is beyond understanding.
  
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Reply #195 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 2:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 2:33pm:
Yes, and now you agree with the lizard that you were wrong to say "the people" share in corporate profits.

Why you want to make such a hash of everything every time you're wrong is beyond understanding.


Just stop whining when you demand I research things for you and I say what a waste of time that would be as you wouldn't read it
  

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Reply #196 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 3:19pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 10:00am:
Nice summary, and I do need to learn to stop with Jeff when the point is made.  I keep letting him draw me into bickering.  You didn't say that, at least not directly.  But I am.

Also a point of clarity.  Not a disagreement with your summary, but I made this point too softly.

As you accurately said, I was not proposing new regulations.  What I was proposing and suggested but didn't make clearly was the removal of regulations.  Our government actively limits the ability of our energy companies to export energy from the US.  Since we are the Saudi Arabia of natural gas, that is very limiting.

Our companies should be able to push natural gas plants in third world countries.  If the international left were pushing them to lower carbon emissions, that would drive them to look at natural gas combined cycle plants which are very cost effective.  It's a case where the international left and American capitalists could be on the same page.

However, the International Left and Democrat party hate America far more than global warming and it would make us richer.  That is not an option for them.  They'll stick with the Paris Treaty and its virtually immeasurable carbon reduction over that


I actually went back and not only did you not ever use the word "corporate" as Jeff seems to be claiming now, it was your use of the word we that he seems to be disputing, when all your claim was, was that corporations were owned.

Possessive words are particularly imprecise and don't always imply ownership. For example, my favourite restaurant or my mother.
  

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Reply #197 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 4:58pm
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So, with the latest data that needs to be input to the climate models, do you think it will change their predictions?

I do.

Tectonic activity and the alignment of the sun and planets have very large effects on the earth's climate.

They are almost certainly related as it's fairly obvious that alignments of the sun and planets will place unusual stresses on the earth's crust, causing earthquakes and setting off volcanoes.

I can't wait for the newest model predictions... Even though I think they will be wrong too.
  
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Reply #198 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 5:02pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 3:19pm:
I actually went back and not only did you not ever use the word "corporate" as Jeff seems to be claiming now, it was your use of the word we that he seems to be disputing, when all your claim was, was that corporations were owned.

Possessive words are particularly imprecise and don't always imply ownership. For example, my favourite restaurant or my mother.
Your favorite restaurant probably is a corporation. Your Mom might be too.

When you mention profits and owners and companies and corporations and businesses, it's really lame and obvious of you to try to morph it into your Mom. Roll Eyes
  
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