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Reply #60 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:43am
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This is a good one too (Not Jefferson)-

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
  
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Reply #61 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 11:45am
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Reply #62 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:38pm
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I may have missed you answer as to whether the right to bear arms is absolute for a free person.  Does it include high explosives, flamethrowers, dirty bombs, suitcase nukes?

Jeff wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 7:29am:
Why would you ask? Do you know anyone who thinks those things will be useful to them? For what purpose?


Yes.
Home defense.

Why?  Do rights depend on what you intend to use them for?

Or is that just your way of saying once again that you won't answer?
  
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Reply #63 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:40pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:43am:
This is a good one too (Not Jefferson)-

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788


"If you like your policy, you can keep your policy.  If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

- Barack Obama, speech describing the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, 2013
  
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Reply #64 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:43pm
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Have you read, "Jefferson on Sound Management of Cattle, Swine, Negroes, Poultry and other Livestock," or "How to Rape Slaves and Influence Chattel?"

Jeff wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 7:30am:
Does he mention anything about the current topic, the right to keep and bear arms?


Yes, he said, "At most, the second amendment would only allow a slave to keep and bear 3/5 of an arm."




  
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Reply #65 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:50pm
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It's impossible to sort out which of you two wankers is the pro-gun and which is the anti-gun.

But we know there has to be one of each because otherwise there's no debate. It just needs to be kept hidden.

The use of hand grenades and rocket launchers is interesting and has to bring out some preferences that will be revealed as to which is which.

Polls show that about 80% of Americans are for some sensible gun control. The trouble is, nobody wants to admit they are in that 80%.

This is where we find out who!
  
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Reply #66 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 1:35pm
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burnsred wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
I may have missed you answer as to whether the right to bear arms is absolute for a free person.  Does it include high explosives, flamethrowers, dirty bombs, suitcase nukes?


Yes.
Home defense.

Why?  Do rights depend on what you intend to use them for?

Or is that just your way of saying once again that you won't answer?
It's not really a rational question. Suitcase nukes? Really? Flamethrowers?

There is such a thing as being principled about the Right to bear arms, and then there are arguments of absurdity intended to paint libertarians as irresponsible idiots.

Your question seems to me intended to paint libertarians as irresponsible idiots.

There is no power granted to our government to disarm us. If you want a flamethrower or high explosives, or a suitcase nuke, as far as I can tell, you can have them. Dynamite is useful from time to time on farms. A flamethrower might be too... Why do you want a suitcase nuke?
  
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Reply #67 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 1:39pm
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burnsred wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
"If you like your policy, you can keep your policy.  If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

- Barack Obama, speech describing the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, 2013
Your contention is that everybody who participated in framing the Constitution and promoting it to the people and arguing for it in the State legislatures (and there were a very very lot of them) all conspired together to lie and misrepresent their beliefs about the Right of individuals to be armed?
You compare them to Obama?
Shame on you.
  
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Reply #68 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 1:41pm
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Don_G wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
It's impossible to sort out which of you two wankers is the pro-gun and which is the anti-gun.

You must be even stupider than I have imagined, perhaps more stupid than I can imagine. People have a Right to be armed. That's my position.


  
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Reply #69 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 1:47pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
It's not really a rational question. Suitcase nukes? Really? Flamethrowers?

There is such a thing as being principled about the Right to bear arms, and then there are arguments of absurdity intended to paint libertarians as irresponsible idiots.

Your question seems to me intended to paint libertarians as irresponsible idiots.

There is no power granted to our government to disarm us. If you want a flamethrower or high explosives, or a suitcase nuke, as far as I can tell, you can have them. Dynamite is useful from time to time on farms. A flamethrower might be too... Why do you want a suitcase nuke?


I don’t. As I said, someone I know does.

His purpose is home defense. In the case of a suitcase nuke my friend believes in the mutually assured destruction strategy.

But, you answered my question which I appreciate.


  
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