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Jan 18th, 2018 at 10:17am
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Libertarin government I know I do I want true equity and egoism to be the normal but what are ur guys veiws on how self owner ship should be impamented in a libertain government
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 10:22am
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thermf5 wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 10:17am:
Libertarin government I know I do I want true equity and egoism to be the normal but what are ur guys veiws on how self owner ship should be impamented in a libertain government
Make slavery illegal. Prosecute slavers.
  
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thermf5 wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 10:17am:
...what are ur guys veiws on how self owner ship should be impamented in a libertain government

Self-ownership means each individual is the exclusive controller over his/her own person and property/wealth.  We cannot have self-ownership and income taxes - they are mutually exclusive. 

Income Tax requires the notion that the government may lay claim to (a portion of) a person's wealth or property.  Income Tax is a communist construct.  Self-ownership requires that government has no claim whatsoever to a person's wealth.

So, step #1 in implementing self ownership for a libertarian government would be to acknowlege that each person has full claim of their wealth and/or property.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
Self-ownership means each individual is the exclusive controller over his/her own person and property/wealth.  We cannot have self-ownership and income taxes - they are mutually exclusive. 

Income Tax requires the notion that the government may lay claim to (a portion of) a person's wealth or property.  Income Tax is a communist construct.  Self-ownership requires that government has no claim whatsoever to a person's wealth.

So, step #1 in implementing self ownership for a libertarian government would be to acknowlege that each person has full claim of their wealth and/or property.


I fully agree, but . . .


Do you apply that concept to only income taxes or to other taxes as well?  Are any taxes acceptable?


  

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Billie wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 10:22am:
Make slavery illegal. Prosecute slavers.

Jeff when was I ever pro slavery and there is ecomnic and mental sary along with physical so witch from of slavery do u want to have the death pentialy
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:45pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:08pm:
I fully agree, but . . .

Do you apply that concept to only income taxes or to other taxes as well?  Are any taxes acceptable?

Self-ownership only applies to Income Tax.  Because it accepts that the State lays claim to my wealth.  Any tax that can be avoided is okay by me. 

Don't want to pay a Tobacco Tax?  Buy tobacco from out-of-state and roll your own.  (Or grow your own)

Don't want to pay the Gasoline Tax?  Drive an electric car, or ride a bike. Or take the bus.

Don't want to pay Sales Tax?  Barter or use Bitcoin.

Don't want to pay a Property Tax?  Rent or lease.

All these Taxes are avoidable if an individual is so inclined, so they don't infringe on self-ownership, IMO.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:59pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Self-ownership only applies to Income Tax.  Because it accepts that the State lays claim to my wealth.  Any tax that can be avoided is okay by me. 

Don't want to pay a Tobacco Tax?  Buy tobacco from out-of-state and roll your own.  (Or grow your own)

Don't want to pay the Gasoline Tax?  Drive an electric car, or ride a bike. Or take the bus.

Don't want to pay Sales Tax?  Barter or use Bitcoin.

Don't want to pay a Property Tax?  Rent or lease.

All these Taxes are avoidable if an individual is so inclined, so they don't infringe on self-ownership, IMO.

Yeah that's one of the reasons I somke pipe taboco it's it's cheep and dose not fall  Shockednder the tbobacko tax of any state I know of or lived in but the thing abought rent in ng is u have to deal  with other people's bullshit and I know of that in Nassau county ny is illgle to rent rooms there will allways be bullshit laws in this world and there will be loop holes but if u wanna resech that subject do it ur self
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 2:29pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
Self-ownership means each individual is the exclusive controller over his/her own person and property/wealth.  We cannot have self-ownership and income taxes - they are mutually exclusive. 

Income Tax requires the notion that the government may lay claim to (a portion of) a person's wealth or property.  Income Tax is a communist construct.  Self-ownership requires that government has no claim whatsoever to a person's wealth.

So, step #1 in implementing self ownership for a libertarian government would be to acknowlege that each person has full claim of their wealth and/or property.
No taxes=no government.
Is that what you want?


  
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Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 2:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Self-ownership only applies to Income Tax.  Because it accepts that the State lays claim to my wealth.  Any tax that can be avoided is okay by me. 

Don't want to pay a Tobacco Tax?  Buy tobacco from out-of-state and roll your own.  (Or grow your own)

Don't want to pay the Gasoline Tax?  Drive an electric car, or ride a bike. Or take the bus.

Don't want to pay Sales Tax?  Barter or use Bitcoin.

Don't want to pay a Property Tax?  Rent or lease.

All these Taxes are avoidable if an individual is so inclined, so they don't infringe on self-ownership, IMO.

Some excise taxes can be avoided, most cannot.

Barter? Live in a rented cave? The landlord is paying property tax and passing it on to you.

Rent an apartment? The landlord is paying property taxes and income taxes on profits he makes from renting out apartments, if he does earn any profits.

Any form of taxation takes wealth out of the free economy and puts in the hands of government.

The best known way to do it is to require that Direct taxes (such as property taxes and taxes on wages and salaries) are apportioned, and the Indirect taxes are uniform.

The best amount to take in taxes is just barely enough to support a strictly limited government.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 18th, 2018 at 3:21pm
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Billie wrote on Jan 18th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
No taxes=no government.
Is that what you want?


That's not necessarily true.
  

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