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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #30 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
It's not a VAT.  I've explained it to you enough times.  You can read a variety of sites on how a VAT works.
I know how they work.

Which countries that use them will you hold up as good examples of the actual effects of such taxes?
  
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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #31 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
I know how they work.

Which countries that use them will you hold up as good examples of the actual effects of such taxes?


I didn't advocate a VAT, so I'm not interested in defending them.  While in the end the total tax paid may be synonymous, they are very complicated in their calculation by businesses while the national sales tax is not
  

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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #32 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 5:54pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm:
I didn't advocate a VAT, so I'm not interested in defending them.  While in the end the total tax paid may be synonymous, they are very complicated in their calculation by businesses while the national sales tax is not
In practice, when they are implemented, national sales taxes are VATs.

If you want to keep claiming they are different, please tell me which countries with national sales taxes you hold up as good examples?
  
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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #33 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 6:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 5:54pm:
In practice, when they are implemented, national sales taxes are VATs.

If you want to keep claiming they are different, please tell me which countries with national sales taxes you hold up as good examples?


Why?  What would that establish?  I've given you plenty of chances to cure your ignorance. Now it's on you
  

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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #34 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 10:25pm
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THE TAX SYSTEM EXPLAINED IN BEER.



"Income Tax:  a policy in which the government forcibly takes money from an individual in order to provide that individual with a service he neither needs nor wants" - Sky Chief
  
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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #35 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 7:46pm
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What If There Were NO Taxes?

PBS production.   PBS is (partially) reliant on grants from the government, so naturally this essay is highly biased in favor of bigger government and high Income Taxes.

  
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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #36 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 3:17am
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Income tax holds men down. While taxation on spending is as close to "fair" as any tax could be.

The poor man who does not earn much and does not buy much doesn't pay a lot in tax. He is incentivized to save and become a responsible citizen.

A wealthy man with plenty of abundant cash can spend to his heart's desire and fund those "essential" government services.
  
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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #37 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 1:00pm
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What If? wrote on Dec 23rd, 2018 at 3:17am:
Income tax holds men down. .

Yes,it holds them down. 

But it does more than just hold men down...

"The Income Tax created more criminals than any other single act of government." - Barry Goldwater


Income Tax also encourages non-productivity.

Many times I have turned down business contracts because accepting them would put me in a higher tax bracket.

So I opted to stay at home and drink Manhattans instead!    Smiley
  
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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #38 - Dec 23rd, 2018 at 3:39pm
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 23rd, 2018 at 1:00pm:
Many times I have turned down business contracts because accepting them would put me in a higher tax bracket.

So I opted to stay at home and drink Manhattans instead!    Smiley
You'd have to show a profit to get into a higher tax bracket, but you're correct, punishing success deters enterprising people from even trying. Regulations and licensing and "permitting" help make it very difficult to succeed, so many people never try...

The upside is they never get in "higher" tax brackets. Cheesy
  
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Re: I don’t understand libertarian opposition to income tax
Reply #39 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 2:12pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 2:05pm:
I don't oppose income tax more than other forms of taxation.  Property tax is sorta worse in that it really means you don't actually own your property.   Stop paying the tax and you loose your house.   

Still taxes are theft but some are necessary regardless of the form they take.


Seriously?  You don't object to government tracking every dollar you ever earn and suspending your Constitutional rights by allowing them to make you prove your income tax form without any probable cause or warrant for them to do so?  That's the same to you as a sales tax where you just pay a percentage of what you buy?

Not must for privacy, huh?
  

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