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Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Jan 30th, 2018 at 3:46pm
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That's what I think but what is the Libertarin and ur own personal veiws
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 4:15pm
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They should be allowed to vote while in prison also.
  

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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 4:28pm
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I strongly believe they should be allowed to vote when there sentence is up.

I tepidly support suspending the right to vote while serving the sentence.

If they retain the right to vote in prison it should be in the district they eligible to vote in prior to incarceration.  Lots of prisons are out in the middle of nowhere, its possible you could end up in a situation where convicts are the biggest voting block in a district.
  
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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:00pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
I tepidly support suspending the right to vote while serving the sentence.

"tepidly"? There are lots of very nasty people in prison for life for heinous crimes... You think they should have a voice in how our government fulfills it's duties?

They want the government to let them go, to free them from prison.

You want that voice to be heard. "Empty the prisons!".
  
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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
"tepidly"? There are lots of very nasty people in prison for life for heinous crimes... You think they should have a voice in how our government fulfills it's duties?

They want the government to let them go, to free them from prison.

You want that voice to be heard. "Empty the prisons!".

I think there's an argument to be made for letting convicts vote but its not a very good argument.  Talk to Burns, he's all for it.
  
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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 6:14pm
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ahhell wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
I think there's an argument to be made for letting convicts vote...
Go ahead coward, make your best argument for what you are advocating...

I Double Dare you.
  
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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 9:18pm
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Convicted felons should not lose the right to vote for three reasons:

1)  Libertarians don't trust government to fairly determine whether a person is actually guilty of a crime. 

2)  Too many laws in criminal codes ban activities that  should not be crimes because they are not initiation of force.  A libertarian should never advocate taking the right to vote from a person for having a "felony weight" of some banned substance.


3)  Even if a person is truly guilty of a crime that should be a crime, they are being governed more so than even a citizen trying to work for a living.  Therefore it is moral that they be allowed to participate in giving consent.  Right now, voting is as close as we have to consent of the governed.

  

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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 10:16pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
"tepidly"? There are lots of very nasty people in prison for life for heinous crimes... You think they should have a voice in how our government fulfills it's duties?


Jeff doesn't understand equality.

Jeff doesn't understand that being nasty should not disqualify you from voting. Neither should being evil.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #8 - Jan 31st, 2018 at 7:40am
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ahhell wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
I think there's an argument to be made for letting convicts vote but its not a very good argument.  Talk to Burns, he's all for it.
I was interested in knowing why you are "tepidly" for it. Thanks.
  
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Re: Convected fellons that servedthere time should have the right to vote
Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2018 at 7:48am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 9:18pm:
Convicted felons should not lose the right to vote for three reasons:

1)  Libertarians don't trust government to fairly determine whether a person is actually guilty of a crime. 

2)  Too many laws in criminal codes ban activities that  should not be crimes because they are not initiation of force.  A libertarian should never advocate taking the right to vote from a person for having a "felony weight" of some banned substance.


3)  Even if a person is truly guilty of a crime that should be a crime, they are being governed more so than even a citizen trying to work for a living.  Therefore it is moral that they be allowed to participate in giving consent.  Right now, voting is as close as we have to consent of the governed.

1) That's why juries are supposed to be involved, so they can stop the government from wrongly convicting and imprisoning people.

2) That's why juries are supposed to be involved, so they can stop the government from convicting people of things that aren't actually crimes.

3) People in prison are having their rights restricted, not being governed. In fact, the theory of American government is that people govern themselves. People are imprisoned when they demonstrate that they can't, or won't, govern themselves.

Choosing representatives to give yourself a voice in the government is not granting "consent" to anything beyond consenting to have an elected representative speak and vote for your district in Congress.

Maybe you should tell me again what you mean by "Consent of the governed"?

Should I tell you again what it actually means?



  
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