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Feb 2nd, 2018 at 10:43am
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From the 2016 Platform...

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All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
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You can see my tax plan here...  http://line2016.freeforums.net/thread/292/rescue-america-ultimate-tax-plan

I oppose direct taxation.

This spending plan goes along with the platform....  http://line2016.freeforums.net/thread/174/rescue-america-spending-plan

You can see economically, I am very much with the Libertarian Party. 

I hope this answers some questions.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 11:36am
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tomline wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 10:43am:
From the 2016 Platform...


You can see my tax plan here...  http://line2016.freeforums.net/thread/292/rescue-america-ultimate-tax-plan

I oppose direct taxation.

This spending plan goes along with the platform....  http://line2016.freeforums.net/thread/174/rescue-america-spending-plan

You can see economically, I am very much with the Libertarian Party. 

I hope this answers some questions.


I don't understand what the "Revenue Tax" means.

Why should foreign competitors pay more taxes than domestics?  There's nothing libertarian about that.  Free market is libertarian, not restricting the choice of citizens to buy foreign products if they are better for the price.   Taxing foreign imports equally to domestics is fine, ala the Fair Tax.  But taxing them more isn't.  Particularly because the US is the only major power that taxes foreign operations.  So if we don't tax the foreign companies like our own, that's a big cost advantage for them.

The answer to your questions.

Late fees are because companies are floating you a loan.  They paid for production of their product, you have the product, you still haven't paid.  I don't particularly have an issue with taxing late fees as a sales tax since you are paying the fee as part of buying the product, but your socialist rhetoric around it isn't productive.

ATM fees are because the company bought the machines you're using and pay to service them.  They are providing you a service.  Again, I don't have an issue taxing ATM fees as part of the price of the product you are buying, but the socialist rhetoric around it isn't necessary.  It's particularly odd when you lace your arguments with socialist rhetoric and ask libertarians what we think
  

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Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 12:41pm
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tomline wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 10:43am:
From the 2016 Platform...


You can see my tax plan here...  http://line2016.freeforums.net/thread/292/rescue-america-ultimate-tax-plan

I oppose direct taxation.

This spending plan goes along with the platform....  http://line2016.freeforums.net/thread/174/rescue-america-spending-plan

You can see economically, I am very much with the Libertarian Party. 

I hope this answers some questions.


Interesting tom. Some of your ideas are feasible and some are not. If I'm going to discuss it with you I'm going to come from the POV os 'socially responsible capitalism'.

I think that if you consider those words carefully you may find that it's the direction to go to achieve what you're aiming for.

You've obviously very opposed to service fees and rightfully so. But I don't think you're really proposing anything to change the practice.

I don't talk pseudo-libertarianism, which I consider just 'pie in the sky' complaining with no solutions offered. I talk real change toward government that can actually answer to America's problems.

I'm assuming your serious because it's obvious you've put a lot of time and effort into your site.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 9:21pm
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Don_G wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 12:41pm:
Interesting tom. Some of your ideas are feasible and some are not. If I'm going to discuss it with you I'm going to come from the POV os 'socially responsible capitalism'.

I think that if you consider those words carefully you may find that it's the direction to go to achieve what you're aiming for.

You've obviously very opposed to service fees and rightfully so. But I don't think you're really proposing anything to change the practice.

I don't talk pseudo-libertarianism, which I consider just 'pie in the sky' complaining with no solutions offered. I talk real change toward government that can actually answer to America's problems.

I'm assuming your serious because it's obvious you've put a lot of time and effort into your site.


If you are going to comment on issues on my site, it would be easier if you joined.  The site is 4 years old. 
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 9:33pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 11:36am:
I don't understand what the "Revenue Tax" means.

Why should foreign competitors pay more taxes than domestics?  There's nothing libertarian about that.  Free market is libertarian, not restricting the choice of citizens to buy foreign products if they are better for the price.   Taxing foreign imports equally to domestics is fine, ala the Fair Tax.  But taxing them more isn't.  Particularly because the US is the only major power that taxes foreign operations.  So if we don't tax the foreign companies like our own, that's a big cost advantage for them.

The answer to your questions.

Late fees are because companies are floating you a loan.  They paid for production of their product, you have the product, you still haven't paid.  I don't particularly have an issue with taxing late fees as a sales tax since you are paying the fee as part of buying the product, but your socialist rhetoric around it isn't productive.

ATM fees are because the company bought the machines you're using and pay to service them.  They are providing you a service.  Again, I don't have an issue taxing ATM fees as part of the price of the product you are buying, but the socialist rhetoric around it isn't necessary.  It's particularly odd when you lace your arguments with socialist rhetoric and ask libertarians what we think


Revenue Tax is explained. 

Libertarianism includes not hurting anyone.  Our treaties and trade agreements are hurting the American worker.  Something has to be done about that.  The prices of imports are so unfairly lower than prices for American products. 

I have various articles that explains this.

Where did you see anything I said about late fees for loans? 

Did you read my articles?  ATM fees are different in various.  To use an ATM at a Casino, for example, you'll pay $6 or more.  Why shouldn't that be taxed?  Shouldn't we tax greed?
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 9:57pm
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tomline wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 9:21pm:
If you are going to comment on issues on my site, it would be easier if you joined.  The site is 4 years old. 


I don't think so Tom. I've noticed that you're going on about the kingdom of the god, fairy tale bullshit and that eliminates any interest I could have ever had in you.

Your site and your tax ideas are a waste of air.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 11:05pm
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tomline wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Revenue Tax is explained. 

Libertarianism includes not hurting anyone.  Our treaties and trade agreements are hurting the American worker.  Something has to be done about that.  The prices of imports are so unfairly lower than prices for American products. 

I have various articles that explains this.

Where did you see anything I said about late fees for loans? 

Did you read my articles?  ATM fees are different in various.  To use an ATM at a Casino, for example, you'll pay $6 or more.  Why shouldn't that be taxed?  Shouldn't we tax greed?


Greed, like need, is a bull crap concept. 

There is no difference between needing something and wanting something.  There is no difference between wanting or needing to have things and being greedy for them.

Greed and need are constructs for parents to use to control their children or for authoritarians to use to control adults.


  

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Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2018 at 11:40pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 11:05pm:
Greed, like need, is a bull crap concept. 

There is no difference between needing something and wanting something.  There is no difference between wanting or needing to have things and being greedy for them.

Greed and need are constructs for parents to use to control their children or for authoritarians to use to control adults.




Have you gone off the deep end or are you just drunk and that's caused you to reveal your rabid and frothing at the mouth hate?

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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 12:23am
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Don_G wrote on Feb 2nd, 2018 at 11:40pm:
Have you gone off the deep end or are you just drunk and that's caused you to reveal your rabid and frothing at the mouth hate?


After you take half a dozen aspirins for your hangover you can try to walk that beauty back!


Tell us the difference between wanting something and needing something. 

That distinction is the the key.

  

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Reply #9 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 12:51am
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Need isn't a worthless concept.

But you don't need much.

A need is something that will kill you or seriously, permanently damage you if you don't get it.
  

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