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Reply #20 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:57pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 1:04pm:
No, I don't know what "1% of State revenues" are.
Revenues dolt.

States have Departments of Revenue that collect it for government use.

All of those businesses you owned had dealings with the State DoR, lots of it...

In all that time, over all those businesses, you never contributed any revenue to the state? None?
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:54pm
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tomline wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 1:00pm:
Sorry, I didn't know that was a rule.  I won't do it again.


I would go to your site and sign up but I think you're already too far off track to reason with. However, I have an open mind about your cause because at least you understand that the status quo in your country can't continue. I may make the move if I find that you are starting to get on the right track.

If you weren't afraid of the term 'socially responsible Capitalism', in the way all our pseudo-libertarians fear it, that would be encouraging.

My aim in talking to people like you who have taken the first step away from the American system is to direct you toward somehing in politics that could bring some kind of meaningful change.

Canada is a capitalist country, not a socialist country, and I can substantiate that assertion until the cows come home.

The biggest problem I see with Trump right now is that he's relying on a short term fix for the US economy. Any government is capable of doing the same thing, but they have to look at the inevitable long term consequences.

To put if bluntly and clearly, the economy is going to look good on paper but within a very short time the chopping off of programs and policy that are important to the middle class and poorer is going to have a boomerang effect.

Decent capitalist governments strive to draw a line between obvious necessary social responsibility and outright greedy capitalism. Trump isn't even conscious of that need. He's a corporate billionaire with no more concern for the people's needs than Bernie Sanders.
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:54pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 6:59am:
Sure their is.
Everybody needs a minimum amount of food to live.
Many people want to eat out every night at Five Star restaurants.

Greed certainly exists, but it's one of those know-it-when-you-see-it things that people define differently.

I think the Chinese Communist Party is being greedy by not sending a big pile of it's gold to Venezuela to help the starving comrades there. Other people see it differently.


I'm not so sure.  By definition they are different, but they are often together.  For example, if I need food, I also want it.
  
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tomline wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:54pm:
I'm not so sure.  By definition they are different, but they are often together.  For example, if I need food, I also want it.


If you're interested in serious conversation you've probably come to the wrong place. Does that further your cause to hook into Jeff's obvious mockery of this conversation. Or are you unable to discern it as such?
  
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Canada is a capitalist country, not a socialist country, and I can substantiate that assertion until the cows come home.


A capitalist country has an economy based on capital, ie - money.  What Canada does with that money makes them a socialist Country.  Same as the United States.
  
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Reply #25 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 2:03pm
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tomline wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:59pm:
A capitalist country has an economy based on capital, ie - money.  What Canada does with that money makes them a socialist Country.  Same as the United States.


Yep.  Though more specifically, a capitalist country is one with distributed economic planning and socialism is one with central planning.  Only government can do central planning because only government can use guns to force people to act against their own interests.

Canada like China and Sweden have centrally planned economies.  That they allow limited capitalism, but only for the products and services they have chosen to allow.  Since it is up to their governments to decide when capitalism is allowed, that doesn't change that since in the end all choices are up to government, they are socialist
  

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Reply #26 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 2:06pm
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The biggest problem I see with Trump right now is that he's relying on a short term fix for the US economy. Any government is capable of doing the same thing, but they have to look at the inevitable long term consequences.

To put if bluntly and clearly, the economy is going to look good on paper but within a very short time the chopping off of programs and policy that are important to the middle class and poorer is going to have a boomerang effect.

Decent capitalist governments strive to draw a line between obvious necessary social responsibility and outright greedy capitalism. Trump isn't even conscious of that need. He's a corporate billionaire with no more concern for the people's needs than Bernie Sanders.


Absolutely!  Tax cuts are nothing but a bandaid on a gunshot wound.  The real problem is the devaluation of our dollar, and if something doesn't stop that, it will soon be worth 0.
  
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Reply #27 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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tomline wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 1:59pm:
A capitalist country has an economy based on capital, ie - money.  What Canada does with that money makes them a socialist Country.  Same as the United States.


I think that's just your angry kneejerk reaction so far but that's expected. I'll leave this with you for now.

You fear the term 'socially responsible capitalism' for no logical reason. They're only word with meanings.
  
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Reply #28 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 2:09pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Yep.  Though more specifically, a capitalist country is one with distributed economic planning and socialism is one with central planning.  Only government can do central planning because only government can use guns to force people to act against their own interests.

Canada like China and Sweden have centrally planned economies.  That they allow limited capitalism, but only for the products and services they have chosen to allow.  Since it is up to their governments to decide when capitalism is allowed, that doesn't change that since in the end all choices are up to government, they are socialist


Isn't that what the United States does?
  
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Reply #29 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 2:11pm
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tomline wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
Absolutely!  Tax cuts are nothing but a bandaid on a gunshot wound.  The real problem is the devaluation of our dollar, and if something doesn't stop that, it will soon be worth 0.


I see that as something positive to say that you are interested in getting into some serious conversations.

Unfortunately, none of the people on this forum are taking that sort of position. So far it's all been positive toward what Trump has done.

These people aren't libertarians, as you are going to soon find out. They're either Republicans in sheep's clothing or anti-Democrats.

As a Canadian I have the luxury of not having to claim either.
  
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