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Reply #10 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:53pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
You shouldn't ever allow an individual or a government to define your rights.

You were born with inalienable rights - nobody grants them to you. 



The Opposition wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
I was going under the assumption that rights are negative.


I understand that you see it this way. I'm attempting to prove otherwise.



If you succeed, I will be compelled to renounce my belief in libertarianism. 

You understand the implications of this, right? 
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:52am
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
You understand the implications of this, right? 


That one person might be happier in a less free system even though freedom is right?

People are also happier killing others even if that's wrong.

kaz wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Another lie.  You claimed repeatedly that the right to have government force someone at gunpoint to bake you a cake is the right thing to do


I never claimed that, and it has nothing to do with this discussion.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #12 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:56am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:52am:
That one person might be happier in a less free system even though freedom is right?

People are also happier killing others even if that's wrong.


I never claimed that, and it has nothing to do with this discussion.


Of course it does.  A standard that is not consistently applied is not a standard
  

Greg Gutfeld - I became a conservative by being around liberals and I became a libertarian by being around conservatives

Matt Stone - I hate conservatives, but I really f'ing hate liberals
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Reply #13 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
I was going under the assumption that rights are negative.
Why? What does it mean to say "rights are negative"? Rights are inherent and everybody has them.

The only reason to mention "negative" rights is to try to throw some credence onto "positive" rights which can't be described as rights at all.

I have a right to choose where I want to live and work. What's "negative" about that? My rights empower my actions, and I am free to choose how to exercise them within the limits of the rights of others.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 4:02pm
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Well, since Tomline appears to have disappeared, and John Rawls once said that a just society is one that a man would choose if his worst enemy were to assign him his place in it...

And since Jeff seems to hate me...

Go ahead Jeff. My faith in tyranny being just is so great, that you pick. Pick any other poster on the site for this experiment.

If you choose yourself, the experiment ends after a month, to be replaced by another poster you choose, because I know you'll try to influence the experiment.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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