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Libertarians Take on Incest?
Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:45pm
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/04/north-carolina-father-daughter-couple-arres...

A 42-year-old North Carolina man and his 20-year-old daughter have been arrested on incest charges after having a love child last year--and reportedly getting married.

Steven Pladl, 42, of Knightdale, and Katie Pladl, 20, were arrested Jan. 27, WNCN-TV reported, citing "warrants." They have also been charged with adultery and contributing to delinquency. The maximum sentence for the incest charge is 10 years in prison.

The child, a boy, was born in September, the station reported.

Steven Pladl was released on a $1 million bond. Katie Pladl’s bond is also $1 million but as of last week she was still being held in a North Carolina jail. They appeared in court last week.

The charges were brought in Virginia where authorities believe the relationship began.

Steven and Katie Pladl, who have been accused of incest after having a love child.  (Facebook)

The station reported that Pladl gave up Katie for adoption when she was an infant.

They reunited in 2016 when she tracked him down through social media.

At the time, according to the station, Pladl was living outside Richmond with his wife, Katie’s mother, and their two children, girls who would have been Katie's sisters.

Katie moved into the home, the station reported.

Subsequently, Pladl and his wife legally separated in November 2016 and began living apart.

Online records show the wife filed for divorce in March 2017 and obtained a divorce decree three months later.

The ex-wife told authorities that just before she moved out Steven would sleep on the floor in Katie's room, the station reported.

The ex-wife learned Katie was pregnant last May after reading one of her daughter's journal, the station reported.

Eight days later child welfare workers in Virginia began conducting interviews, according to the station. They interviewed the two young Pladl girls who said they had been told their father fathered Katie's baby.

The warrants show that Steven told his two daughters to call Katie their step-mom, the station reported. 

Police in suburban Richmond issued arrest warrants for Pladl and Katie last November.

The ex-wife told Richmond’s WTVR-TV that her former husband and Katie married in Maryland and then moved to North Carolina.

She believes her ex-husband brainwashed and manipulated Katie, the station reported.

“This is a pretty unique set of facts I would say,” the station’s legal analyst Todd Stone said.
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Ten years in prison?  A million dollar bond?  Seriously?

What do y'all think?

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Reply #1 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:57pm
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If it's consensual they should be able to do whatever they want.

However, if the kid acquires a genetic defect this way, I think he should be allowed to sue the both of them.
  

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Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 6:59am
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I think libertarians in general feel the same about incest as do socialists in general or republicans in general or democrats in general.

Why don't you go ask the question on a socialist forum first and get back to us with the results? Thanks.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:03am
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Its gross.  If they had raised the daughter then its more clear cut as it would be extremely unlikely that they relationship was consensual.

  
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Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:22am
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ahhell wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:03am:
Its gross.  If they had raised the daughter then its more clear cut as it would be extremely unlikely that they relationship was consensual.

I don't see how putting the kid up for adoption would be indicative of lack of consent.

Lack of consent would be rape, which libertarians uniformly oppose.

Anyway, we now have one libertarian's position on incest. It's "gross"... That's probably a common position for people of other political persuasions too.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:30am
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:45pm:
Ten years in prison?  A million dollar bond?  Seriously?
I'm not sure what to make of this...

You think the penalty was too harsh? Would that mean you think there should be no penalty at all, that incest between consenting adults has no "victim" and can't be considered a crime?

It's not a good talking point for libertarians hoping to persuade people that Liberty is a good thing, it's back to the mis-characterization of libertarians as amoral Libertines.

That's your intent isn't it? Shouldn't you now start talking about children's right to consent to sex with anyone, even Daddy?
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:34am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
If it's consensual they should be able to do whatever they want.

There it is, the "right" of children to consent to sex... That's not a libertarian position.

"Progressives" seem most likely to advocate for the "right" of children to consent to having sex with them (and each other).
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:46am
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Billie wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:30am:
I'm not sure what to make of this...

You think the penalty was too harsh? Would that mean you think there should be no penalty at all, that incest between consenting adults has no "victim" and can't be considered a crime?

The government doesn't seem to have identified a victim in this case.  The father was released on a one million dollar bail.  The daughter was still in jail as of the time of the story, unable to come up with a million dollars with which to buy her freedom.  Doesn't the constitution say something about "excessive bail?"

Who was the victim of the crime these to committed?

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It's not a good talking point for libertarians hoping to persuade people that Liberty is a good thing, it's back to the mis-characterization of libertarians as amoral Libertines.

That's your intent isn't it? Shouldn't you now start talking about children's right to consent to sex with anyone, even Daddy?


My intent is to start a discussion on that particular aspect of libertarianism.   Statists will make the accusation you mentioned.  They will dismiss us as potheads, gun nuts and patrons of prostitutes.  We have to be ready with an answer.  Referring all questions to the constitution isn't the way to sell liberty.  To much liberty has been lost under that document.

  

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Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:51am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
If it's consensual they should be able to do whatever they want.

However, if the kid acquires a genetic defect this way, I think he should be allowed to sue the both of them.


I agree as long as the incest didn't start with the daughter as a minor
  

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Re: Libertarians Take on Incest?
Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:53pm
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From a leftist POV, it would be progressive to allow this sort of incest in the southern states only. Alabama has earned a reputation as the most progressive and modern thinking state for cases of incest and that says they are for it.

It's progress in that the mental and physical problems it's obviously going to cause, will lead to deaths as a result and then natural selection would take over to eliminate the worst of the US south.

Rather than a wall between the US and Mexico, a wall between the southern confederate states would be more appropriate.
  
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