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Reply #10 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:56pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:51am:
I agree as long as the incest didn't start with the daughter as a minor


Age discimination is not acceptable on a libertarian forum. We've already established there should be no age requirement for a driver's license. Why would it make any difference in a family situation such as this?

Isn't it all about the deed being done as opposed to how early those southerners do 'it'?
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 1:26pm
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Age discimination is not acceptable on a libertarian forum. We've already established there should be no age requirement for a driver's license. Why would it make any difference in a family situation such as this?

Isn't it all about the deed being done as opposed to how early those southerners do 'it'?


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Reply #12 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:05pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:46am:
The government doesn't seem to have identified a victim in this case.  The father was released on a one million dollar bail.  The daughter was still in jail as of the time of the story, unable to come up with a million dollars with which to buy her freedom.  Doesn't the constitution say something about "excessive bail?"

Who was the victim of the crime these to committed?
That would be the daughter if she was a child when her Father talked her into having sex with him, or allowed her to talk him into having sex with her.

That doesn't seem to have been the case, but I'm not sure. Virginia probably has strange laws like most everywhere else that say its OK for a 14 and 16 year old to have sex, but not the same 14 year old and a 40 year old.

Yes, the bail is excessive.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:08pm
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Age discimination is not acceptable on a libertarian forum. We've already established there should be no age requirement for a driver's license.
You've decided that, and that newborns should vote too!

You can't start an argument saying "Libertarians believe..." absurd things that you think libertarians should believe.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:47pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:05pm:
That would be the daughter if she was a child when her Father talked her into having sex with him, or allowed her to talk him into having sex with her.



Clearly, the state does not believe that the daughter was a victim unless their policy is to put the victims of sex crimes in jail.

Your post makes me think that maybe the state is hoping to pressure the daughter into making a false claim against her father so they can chalk up a win.



  

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Reply #15 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:54pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Clearly, the state does not believe that the daughter was a victim unless their policy is to put the victims of sex crimes in jail.

Your post makes me think that maybe the state is hoping to pressure the daughter into making a false claim against her father so they can chalk up a win.



That could be true.

Ambitious prosecutors and Attorneys General with their eye on the Governors Palace or even becoming U.S. Attorney General have done such things in the past.
Janet Reno comes to mind...
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:58pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Clearly, the state does not believe that the daughter was a victim unless their policy is to put the victims of sex crimes in jail.

Your post makes me think that maybe the state is hoping to pressure the daughter into making a false claim against her father so they can chalk up a win.





The odds he molested her as a minor are virtually 100%.  No 20 year old not molested by her father would start having sex with him when she turned 18 unless she was severely mentally ill.

Even in the exceedingly unlikely case he didn't, the child of the abomination relationship was a clear victim with the incredible deformity and health risks.  It's a crime to shoot into a crowd even if you happen through sheer luck to miss everyone.  And it should be
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 3:08pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Clearly, the state does not believe that the daughter was a victim unless their policy is to put the victims of sex crimes in jail.

Your post makes me think that maybe the state is hoping to pressure the daughter into making a false claim against her father so they can chalk up a win.


Life makes me think that, rather than anything Jeff posted.

Yes, it's likely some foul play occurred. If it didn't, however, you have to address the issue of banning consensual sex due to societal standards, which we've had nearly a hundred years of propaganda telling us it's wrong to do.

Princess and peasant? Even if it's against the standards of the time? Let true love win. White and black? Let true love win. No matter what they give up, no matter what horrible consequences there could be... always pick lower-brain sexual desire over logic. This is one of our greatest societal standards.

This could very well be an instance of that.

Another societal standard we have is that incest is always bad.

Therefore the government must make sure that incest is never true love. It's a simple thing of wanting to hold contradictory and illogical standards without being suplexed by the contradiction. So they just make the truth.

Note that I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either of these standards.

Jeff wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 8:34am:
There it is, the "right" of children to consent to sex... That's not a libertarian position.


This is not necessarily an instance of one party being a child.

However, libertarian standards are also contradictory.

You want to take away right from children on the grounds that they're incapable of making their own choices, but you're unwilling to take away rights from adults who have demonstrated they're incapable of making their own choices by getting pregnant with babies they can't support. It's not about whether they can make rational choices. It's about them being children.
  

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Reply #18 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 3:10pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The odds he molested her as a minor are virtually 100%.  No 20 year old not molested by her father would start having sex with him when she turned 18 unless she was severely mentally ill.

Even in the exceedingly unlikely case he didn't, the child of the abomination relationship was a clear victim with the incredible deformity and health risks.  It's a crime to shoot into a crowd even if you happen through sheer luck to miss everyone.  And it should be
The risks for normal healthy people aren't really that large unless you make incest a habit as the Egyptians or European "Royalty" did.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 3:17pm
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It will be very awkward for the love-child when he has to explain that his mom is also his sister.   Huh
  
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