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Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:51am
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-06/bad-people-lied-kangaroo-court-america...

The only thing worth reading among the wall-to-wall coverage of the FISA memo?
  
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Re: Bad People Lied to a Kangaroo Court
Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 12:25pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:51am:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-06/bad-people-lied-kangaroo-court-america...

The only thing worth reading among the wall-to-wall coverage of the FISA memo?


Bearing in mind what that article pomotes is the whole truth, which is questionable, the fact remains that Carter Page had a long record of passing information to Russia's intelligence community.

The rush is on to promote the Republican's memo before the Dem memo that includes more facts is released. And most likely won't be released.

The Repub memo being released by itself smells  bad already. It will smell a lot worse when the Dems memo is held back or severely redacted.

Rosenstein was being pressured by Trump yesterday so it's now a question of whether he will bend to Trump or have to be fired. The bright light in the whole thing is that if Trump fires Mueller, it won't pass the light of day.

To your point Bob, perhaps the claimed corruption in the FBI should be investigated in a way that won't interfere with Mueller's investigation.

In any case, if by any chance the Dem's memo is released, it's going to be interesting because the Mueller investigation will have been forced to play at least part of Mueller's hand.
  
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Re: Bad People Lied to a Kangaroo Court
Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 12:47pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Bearing in mind what that article pomotes is the whole truth, which is questionable, the fact remains that Carter Page had a long record of passing information to Russia's intelligence community.

The rush is on to promote the Republican's memo before the Dem memo that includes more facts is released. And most likely won't be released.

The Repub memo being released by itself smells  bad already. It will smell a lot worse when the Dems memo is held back or severely redacted.

Rosenstein was being pressured by Trump yesterday so it's now a question of whether he will bend to Trump or have to be fired. The bright light in the whole thing is that if Trump fires Mueller, it won't pass the light of day.

To your point Bob, perhaps the claimed corruption in the FBI should be investigated in a way that won't interfere with Mueller's investigation.

In any case, if by any chance the Dem's memo is released, it's going to be interesting because the Mueller investigation will have been forced to play at least part of Mueller's hand.


You're going back to your NJ Dem Partisan roots, here Don. 

The spin that there was plenty of information to justify wiretapping Trump so the pee-pee dossier didn't matter only brings up the question of why did they use it in the first place.  The DOJ already stated that without the yellow pages, they would not have gone to FISA for the warrant.

Trump would be stupid not to release the memo, because it will be leaked anyway.  I agreed that both should have been released at once, but now I see that it was a wise strategy to let the GOP go first.  If both had been released at once the Democrats in the Media would have presented the Dems version as settled science and any differences in the GOP version as obvious lies.  This way, they had to report on the GOP version as much as it stuck in their craw to do so.

A biased media means we don't have a real choice in elections.
  

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Re: Bad People Lied to a Kangaroo Court
Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 1:01pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 12:47pm:
You're going back to your NJ Dem Partisan roots, here Don.


Burnsred, don't make it a personal thing between us. I submit the story the way I see it and you do too. As for you worrying about my spin making a difference, forget it and stop worrying. For the bigger world outside this forum that's ridiculous and for this forum, you've already won because of their bias. 

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The spin that there was plenty of information to justify wiretapping Trump so the pee-pee dossier didn't matter only brings up the question of why did they use it in the first place.  The DOJ already stated that without the yellow pages, they would not have gone to FISA for the warrant.


I think all that matters is whether or not Steele's intelligence was factual information. It appears it was because the FBI had some intel that matched it. In a court of law, does it really matter what dirty tricks the prosecution uses as long as it's accepted by the court? I think that's the key here, and not saying that the FBI stooped to the illegal. Anybody could have hired Steele, who cares. To discredit Steele is the task and it looks like that can't be done.

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Trump would be stupid not to release the memo, because it will be leaked anyway.  I agreed that both should have been released at once, but now I see that it was a wise strategy to let the GOP go first.  If both had been released at once the Democrats in the Media would have presented the Dems version as settled science and any differences in the GOP version as obvious lies.  This way, they had to report on the GOP version as much as it stuck in their craw to do so.


Not so simple really. If Trump doesn't release it in full then the important parts will remain 'top secret' and the Dems can be accused of treason if they leak it out.

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A biased media means we don't have a real choice in elections.


The Repubs and Trump have their own biased side. If it's not as large then there are probably valid reasons for that. After all burnsred, look at what Trump is!! Are normal media people going to be biased toward a f'ing psychopath?

I think the US media is working pretty well the way I would expect it to work. It's against Trump's outrageous corruption!
  
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Re: Bad People Lied to a Kangaroo Court
Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 1:33pm
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BobK71 wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:51am:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-06/bad-people-lied-kangaroo-court-america...

The only thing worth reading among the wall-to-wall coverage of the FISA memo?
Well worth reading, thanks. I expect there will be more to come.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 7:19pm
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The Steele document would be relevant no matter who paid for it and regardless of whether the source was given to a judge.

The important part is that Steele was totally credible and the FBI already had at least part of it from their own investigations.

The remaining question is, can the American people be corrupted enough to turn thumbs down on their FBI, CIA, and other spook agencies.

In favour of Trump??  Embarrassed
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 7:40pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
The remaining question is, can the American people be corrupted enough to turn thumbs down on their FBI, CIA, and other spook agencies.

The Political Secret Police?

Americans don't like having political secret police or secret courts serving them.

We know, such things are necessary to terrorize people into accepting authoritarian government, but we don't want that either, even if you call it a "socialist system" or a "socially responsible government".
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
The Political Secret Police?

Americans don't like having political secret police or secret courts serving them.

We know, such things are necessary to terrorize people into accepting authoritarian government, but we don't want that either, even if you call it a "socialist system" or a "socially responsible government".


Hanging around stupid people on this forum for too long will make you just as stupid as they are. Run way while you still can.
  
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Re: Bad People Lied to a Kangaroo Court
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:19pm:
Hanging around stupid people on this forum for too long will make you just as stupid as they are. Run way while you still can.
Is that another thinly veiled threat?
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 12:02pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:40am:
Is that another thinly veiled threat?


The thing is, more spin by the Republicans is likely going to be blowing smoke and ignored by the majority. The memo has had it's effect and spinning it further won't get any more.

Now the Dems get their chance to spin theirs. Or, spin the reason why Trump won't release it unredacted.

After that, we can weigh the effect to determine whose spin worked the best.

The wild card right now is, will Trump get rid of Rosenstein? And if he does, will he start down the same path Nixon walked?
  
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